Veach and Reid have a template to compete each year

[BigRedChief]

They are using a Bellicheck/Brady modified version they used to sustain success.

Basics:

• Elite QB
• Great O-line
• JAG and or FA value WR's and RB's
• Solid Defense
• Good kicking game

Discipline

• Move up in the draft to get "your" guy despite what the points say
• Leverage the success to encourage and work with older and cheaper FA vets seeking a ring offering one year contracts.
• Don't give 3rd contracts to your guys over 30. No matter how good they are currently.

Seems obvious to me. What say you?

[staylor26]

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

They signed 1- year contracts. As of now neither Pringle or Demarcus has signed anywhere. Demarcus has been cut twice. It’s one thing to settle for these guys. But we put all our eggs into this basket. Until the dam burst.

Yes, they've gone on to be what 3 and 4 level WRs are. They bounce around.

They put all their eggs into that basket by having them be 3 and 4 level WR's here and put up 1k yards and 8 TD's?

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

A 2nd and a 4th in 5 years and putting all your eggs in that basket isn’t taking swings. Arguably the only reason we even took mecole is because we were insuring against losing a WR1.

I think they learned a lot in 2021. Credit to them for taking Noah Gray to be a weapon, but since that slump they changed the offense to step away from “go deep Tyreek!” and using Kelce as the only safety valve.

MVS was better than any of the rotational guys we got before him (Pringle, Robinson, Hardman) and Juju was the first WR we had with that RB size since Watkins.

I think they really changed the offense to be more oriented to a vast array of quantity mixed with quality. And the quality is hopefully the guys they drafted the last 2 years in the 2nd rd. Toney sure has been. He was a great pickup for the price/salary investment.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I can’t believe we’re trying to use the argument that Robinson and Pringle, two guys we wouldn’t even sign for cheap, are justifications that we put any effort to building a WR room. It continues to prove the point that mahomes’ greatness hides a lot of warts. We had enough info on hardman to know we had to bring in competition. We kicked the can down the road on this position. Period.

You're the one focusing on those two, when we've used three high picks on WR in the last twelve months.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

You're the one focusing on those two, when we've used three high picks on WR in the last twelve months.

Because as I said we sat on our hands for 5 years. Just as we did at interior OL until the dam burst. Just as we did at at RT. And so we find that OTs and WRs who we know take time to develop in a Reid offense we are relying on these young guys to step in really early with the possibility that maybe our WR and OT room still isn’t very good.

These are things we diligently and constantly try to address on defense. When something breaks we immediately look to fix it. But on offense we wait to hit the breaking point to address them. Because mahomes can cover up weaknesses.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yes, they've gone on to be what 3 and 4 level WRs are. They bounce around.

They put all their eggs into that basket by having them be 3 and 4 level WR's here and put up 1k yards and 8 TD's?

The majority of the best offenses find at least 1 WR in 5 years good enough to step up to WR2. They find slot guys who are plenty effective in the WR3/WR4 role.

We did not find a single WR in the draft in 5 years worth keeping. Not a WR1. Not a WR2. Not even a situational WR. At one point Pringle was our WR2 not because of injury but because he was the best we had.

Sorry but I think you’re really sugarcoating our WR room. We did a very poor job drafting WRs. Period.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The majority of the best offenses find at least 1 WR in 5 years good enough to step up to WR2. They find slot guys who are plenty effective in the WR3/WR4 role.

We did not find a single WR in the draft in 5 years worth keeping. Not a WR1. Not a WR2. Not even a situational WR. At one point Pringle was our WR2 not because of injury but because he was the best we had.

Sorry but I think you’re really sugarcoating our WR room. We did a very poor job drafting WRs. Period.

Not much effort was put into drafting the position, you don't hit shots you don't take.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The majority of the best offenses find at least 1 WR in 5 years good enough to step up to WR2. They find slot guys who are plenty effective in the WR3/WR4 role.

We did not find a single WR in the draft in 5 years worth keeping. Not a WR1. Not a WR2. Not even a situational WR. At one point Pringle was our WR2 not because of injury but because he was the best we had.

Sorry but I think you’re really sugarcoating our WR room. We did a very poor job drafting WRs. Period.

Because we didn't need to find a #1 WR. We had 2 of them.

I think your expectations for what a WR2 and 3 should be are wrong. Most 3 and 4 WR's aren't worth keeping and end up signing 1 year cheap deals in other places because teams draft cheap mid round WR's to replace them.

Like we did with Mecole, like the Giants have done in regards to Richie James and on and on.

The best offenses. Ok. Lets lay them out here. The best offenses such as...the Bengals? Sure, they drafted 2 first round WR's, one being in the top 5.

Mecole Hardman was a 2nd round pick that ended up being a good player for the Chiefs. No he didn't develop into a top flight WR, but for what he was and what we needed...yeah.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I think they learned a lot in 2021. Credit to them for taking Noah Gray to be a weapon, but since that slump they changed the offense to step away from “go deep Tyreek!” and using Kelce as the only safety valve.

MVS was better than any of the rotational guys we got before him (Pringle, Robinson, Hardman) and Juju was the first WR we had with that RB size since Watkins.

I think they really changed the offense to be more oriented to a vast array of quantity mixed with quality. And the quality is hopefully the guys they drafted the last 2 years in the 2nd rd. Toney sure has been. He was a great pickup for the price/salary investment.

No doubt mahomes became better. We got smarter about the type of WR we wanted. But it should have happened sooner. And it still follows a trend that we react to problems on offense instead of anticipating them. I’m not saying we’re doing things poorly. I just think we’re short shrifting the offense in the search for a top 3 defense.

And that looms very large because life with even a lesser version of kelce will open up a whole lot more cans of worms than losing tyreek. Will we anticipate that? Or will we wait for the decline to materialize before we put some urgency behind it. Because history seems to indicate we’ll wait for this to hit its peak before we actually address it

[Mecca]

In many ways Hardman is the same guy he was when he was drafted, a premier athlete with a ton of speed that doesn't get the nuance of playing WR. That happens sometimes.

[O.city]

Why aren't the Dolphins spending more draft picks to stock their #3 and #4 WRs?

Why aren't the Seahawks?

The Chiefs had Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce in their absolute prime and we are asking to spend first round picks on WRs. Is there maybe a reason no one else in the league is doing it?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by O.city

Why aren't the Dolphins spending more draft picks to stock their #3 and #4 WRs?

Why aren't the Seahawks?

The Chiefs had Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce in their absolute prime and we are asking to spend first round picks on WRs. Is there maybe a reason no one else in the league is doing it?

Ok now the Seahawks are a bad example they just used a 1 to take a #3 WR.

[O.city]

Yes, we should be expect the offense to change when they lose the best TE in the history of the sport. They aren't going to be able to just plug someone in there.

[Mecca]

To get really really honest here they've invested a 2 in 2 straight years in WR, now there is expectation with those picks where with guys like Cornell Powell that was nothing.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yes, we should be expect the offense to change when they lose the best TE in the history of the sport. They aren't going to be able to just plug someone in there.

You also aren’t going to rely on mahomes and Reid to elevate meh talent across the board. These guys need to step up. We need these picks to become more than just role players. I would’ve rather we prepared for life without tyreek and kelce much much sooner. But right now we have to be surgically good. And if we’re committed to building a top 5 defense we need to be extremely good.

It ain’t gonna cut it to have a bunch of WR2s playing WR1 if kelce even slightly regresses.