Veach and Reid have a template to compete each year

[BigRedChief]

They are using a Bellicheck/Brady modified version they used to sustain success.

Basics:

• Elite QB
• Great O-line
• JAG and or FA value WR's and RB's
• Solid Defense
• Good kicking game

Discipline

• Move up in the draft to get "your" guy despite what the points say
• Leverage the success to encourage and work with older and cheaper FA vets seeking a ring offering one year contracts.
• Don't give 3rd contracts to your guys over 30. No matter how good they are currently.

Seems obvious to me. What say you?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You also aren’t going to rely on mahomes and Reid to elevate meh talent across the board. These guys need to step up. We need these picks to become more than just role players. I would’ve rather we prepared for life without tyreek and kelce much much sooner. But right now we have to be surgically good. And if we’re committed to building a top 5 defense we need to be extremely good.

It ain’t gonna cut it to have a bunch of WR2s playing WR1 if kelce even slightly regresses.

Out of curiosity, what do you mean by prepared for life without them?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Ok now the Seahawks are a bad example they just used a 1 to take a #3 WR.

True, but Lockett is also about to age out.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You also aren’t going to rely on mahomes and Reid to elevate meh talent across the board. These guys need to step up. We need these picks to become more than just role players. I would’ve rather we prepared for life without tyreek and kelce much much sooner. But right now we have to be surgically good. And if we’re committed to building a top 5 defense we need to be extremely good.

It ain’t gonna cut it to have a bunch of WR2s playing WR1 if kelce even slightly regresses.

I think you're doing a great disservice to Mahomes with this whole discussion.

Yes, he needs a bunch of WR2s. With Andy and Mahomes, those guys are WR1s. This isnt' Alex Smith here.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Why aren't the Dolphins spending more draft picks to stock their #3 and #4 WRs?

Why aren't the Seahawks?

The Chiefs had Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce in their absolute prime and we are asking to spend first round picks on WRs. Is there maybe a reason no one else in the league is doing it?

Is this a real question? They had a WR1 and still threw a shitload of picks to get tyreek hill. Then they used 2 of their 8 remaining picks on WRs.

The Seahawks have both a WR1 and WR2 and yet spent 5 picks the past 3 seasons on WR including taking jaxon smith njigba with #20.

Again this isn’t just about stocking WR3s. This is making the effort to find Guys who can be WR2 or WR1 but can settle into WR3 or WR4 if they don’t progress. You are reaching if you think we barely even tried to find a WR2 especially knowing Sammy watkins had a shelf life. We had 5 years to find a single WR in house and we didn’t.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Out of curiosity, what do you mean by prepared for life without them?

We already experienced life without tyreek. Life without kelce is going to be much tougher. We have to expect some kind of regression and knock on wood, it’ll be hard to rely on him for 16 games. At some point relatively soon we have to expect a dramatic recession.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

So you acknowledge that we basically treated WR like an afterthought for 5 years.

You’re not going to hit a top 10 pick with every WR. So you gotta take a lot of swings. In the process you might find a WR2 or WR3 or WR4 and they’re all positions that actually contribute. Especially since we acknowledge that it’s harder and takes longer for Reid WRs to develop.

Not only were we content with surrounding tyreek with shit for WR. We had ZERO options in an entire 5-wr room we developed in house when tyreek left. And as you acknowledge we barely even tried.

What we did in 2022 wasn’t a commitment to WR. It was catch up and a little bit of panic because we ignored the position for years.

I know I've said but I really don't hate the idea of just repeatedly going for WRs early until they hit and to some extent OTs too. But the issue is how do you integrate and evaluate them? I find it hard to believe another 2nd or 3rd rounder wouldn't have pushed out guys like Robinson and Pringle, but even then you're talking about them being 4th or 5th option after Kelce, Hill and Watkins. By the time Watkins and Hill have moved on you may have them ready to step into a bigger role and be a top player, but maybe they've just not got the snaps to know. I love the idea of always having the next guy ready to roll and contribute, no disagreement there, I just think it's damn hard to make that work. Sometimes you have to try and plug a gap as it emerges maybe.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Is this a real question? They had a WR1 and still threw a shitload of picks to get tyreek hill. Then they used 2 of their 8 remaining picks on WRs.

The Seahawks have both a WR1 and WR2 and yet spent 5 picks the past 3 seasons on WR including taking jaxon smith njigba with #20.

Again this isn’t just about stocking WR3s. This is making the effort to find Guys who can be WR2 or WR1 but can settle into WR3 or WR4 if they don’t progress. You are reaching if you think we barely even tried to find a WR2 especially knowing Sammy watkins had a shelf life. We had 5 years to find a single WR in house and we didn’t.

Oh so now using late round picks and UDFA types on WR's is ok. Sure sure.

Again, the Chiefs did that and had roster spots taken by guys they were developing. WR3 and WR4 types are gonna put up 400 yards per year. The Chiefs had that.

You just didn't like the guys who did it and don't think Mahomes and Andy can continue to develop those types of guys I guess.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

We already experienced life without tyreek. Life without kelce is going to be much tougher. We have to expect some kind of regression and knock on wood, it’ll be hard to rely on him for 16 games. At some point relatively soon we have to expect a dramatic recession.

A We're picking at the end of rounds so it's not like we have a shot at the tip top guys.

B Even if we take guys there to fill some spots they aren't going to do the exact same thing, for example Michael Mayer is not a Kelce replacement.

[Mecca]

If Skyy Moore and Rashee Rice end up basically being DeMarcus Robinson then you can bitch about the inability to develop guys.

[O.city]

Robinson put up 500 yards and 3 TDs a year.

What are you expecting a 3rd or 4th WR to put up? Every team in the league would give it's left ball for their 4th or 5th option to put that up, yet we can't develop weapons here.

[Chris Meck]

This just in!

The Chiefs need their highly drafted WR's to pan out! No shit, eh?

So does everyone else in the NFL.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Robinson put up 500 yards and 3 TDs a year.

What are you expecting a 3rd or 4th WR to put up? Every team in the league would give it's left ball for their 4th or 5th option to put that up, yet we can't develop weapons here.

They put all their eggs in that basket though!

(Whatever the **** that means)

[raybec 4]

This dude makes it sound like the Chiefs just went 3-14 with a bottom half passing game. There's a lot of chicken little hyperbole in here.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by O.city

Robinson put up 500 yards and 3 TDs a year.

What are you expecting a 3rd or 4th WR to put up? Every team in the league would give it's left ball for their 4th or 5th option to put that up, yet we can't develop weapons here.

Guys drafted in the 2nd have a higher expectation, I don't even mean right now although Moore needs to be better this year.

[Mecca]

They haven't even really tried to develop weapons, it's kind of funny people think because Cornell Powell didn't work out or something like that we don't develop weapons.

The only one in my view they get a hey this didn't work out grade on is Helaire.