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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

The offense and Mahomes have been exactly 1 season without Tyreek. If they get a clear number 1 they would just get back to what they were with Tyreek. (which coincidentally was very statistically similar to last year). To say the ceiling is higher is more hyperbole because they might put up more yards but there is still only one Superbowl every season.

Let’s say rashee rice becomes a clear WrR1. Even a low end one. Our offense is immediately better. We are deeper than we were with tyreek. Mahomes is a way better qb. Andy has a way better understanding of how to attack the looks that stumped us a few years ago. Of course we are very fine without it. But we still have plenty of ceiling.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Let’s say rashee rice becomes a clear WrR1. Even a low end one. Our offense is immediately better. We are deeper than we were with tyreek. Mahomes is a way better qb. Andy has a way better understanding of how to attack the looks that stumped us a few years ago. Of course we are very fine without it. But we still have plenty of ceiling.

Of course there's still improvement to gained. But at what cost?

To get a WR room like the Dolphins or Bengals, we'd have to be drafting high in the 1st like they did. That's not going to happen as long as Pat is here.

And as long as Pat is taking up almost a quarter of the salary cap, it's unlikely they can buy one either.

So yes, there's room for improvement. The question is whether or not there is a viable, and valuable, path to that improvement. What we're doing right now may be the only thing they CAN do, given the cap constraints.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Of course there's still improvement to gained. But at what cost?

To get a WR room like the Dolphins or Bengals, we'd have to be drafting high in the 1st like they did. That's not going to happen as long as Pat is here.

And as long as Pat is taking up almost a quarter of the salary cap, it's unlikely they can buy one either.

So yes, there's room for improvement. The question is whether or not there is a viable, and valuable, path to that improvement. What we're doing right now may be the only thing they CAN do, given the cap constraints.

Now the Dolphins did pay a lot in capital for their group but there are other teams that have built good WR rooms without top 5 picks.

Seattles is really good and their highest investment is pick #20.

The 49ers did it without high picks also.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Now the Dolphins did pay a lot in capital for their group but there are other teams that have built good WR rooms without top 5 picks.

Seattles is really good and their highest investment is pick #20.

The 49ers did it without high picks also.

True but then look at those 2 teams' QB situation.

It's all intertwined.

The Chiefs not only have their QB, he's one of the highest paid players in the league. The Dolphins could afford to buy WR's because their QB is still on his rookie deal. ****, Tua's base salary this year is a million dollars. Look at this way - the cap situations are so different that the Dolphins were actually able to buy Tyreek away from us. We sold because he was too expensive, they bought because they could afford it.

As for the 49ers, they were free to invest whatever they wanted in WR's. They have a highly drafted guy still on a rookie contract, a backup with the potential to start on a rookie contract and they've really never spent money on the QB position. Jimmy G got them to a SB for crying out loud.

So in summary, our situation is not at all like Seattle's or the 49ers. Both teams arguably still need a QB so talking about WR's in that context is apples and oranges.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Of course there's still improvement to gained. But at what cost?

To get a WR room like the Dolphins or Bengals, we'd have to be drafting high in the 1st like they did. That's not going to happen as long as Pat is here.

And as long as Pat is taking up almost a quarter of the salary cap, it's unlikely they can buy one either.

So yes, there's room for improvement. The question is whether or not there is a viable, and valuable, path to that improvement. What we're doing right now may be the only thing they CAN do, given the cap constraints.

Yeah, I mean I don’t expect a wr room like the bengals. Or that we need to be throwing $100m at this elite offense. I’m talking about small shifts. We should not have ignored this position for 5 years. If we threw a lot of picks at this years ago we’d be talking about vetted cheap options instead of a wr room I think even the biggest optimist has to acknowledge has risk to it.

If we have cap and pick restraints then building and maintaining a top 3 defense is going to cut into what you can put into the offense. Not that that’s a terrible thing. But I feel we should be tilting it the other direction where maybe a top 10 or even top 5 defense is great if it means just a little more room to maneuver for offensive weapons. I would rather pay just a little less attention to our defense so we aren’t constantly asking mahomes to just settle for what he’s got.

And as I’ve pointed out before what we’re doing is a reaction to something we should have anticipated years ago. And we shouldn’t wait for kelce to escape his prime to come to that same realization. Because we have to prepare for a world where our WRs have to shoulder way more of the responsibility. Is a room full of WR2s still gonna cut it?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yeah, I mean I don’t expect a wr room like the bengals. Or that we need to be throwing $100m at this elite offense. I’m talking about small shifts. We should not have ignored this position for 5 years. If we threw a lot of picks at this years ago we’d be talking about vetted cheap options instead of a wr room I think even the biggest optimist has to acknowledge has risk to it.

If we have cap and pick restraints then building and maintaining a top 3 defense is going to cut into what you can put into the offense. Not that that’s a terrible thing. But I feel we should be tilting it the other direction where maybe a top 10 or even top 5 defense is great if it means just a little more room to maneuver for offensive weapons. I would rather pay just a little less attention to our defense so we aren’t constantly asking mahomes to just settle for what he’s got.

And as I’ve pointed out before what we’re doing is a reaction to something we should have anticipated years ago. And we shouldn’t wait for kelce to escape his prime to come to that same realization. Because we have to prepare for a world where our WRs have to shoulder way more of the responsibility. Is a room full of WR2s still gonna cut it?

Rashee Rice and Skyy Moore are 2nd-round picks. They both qualify as "little shifts". THAT is the investment here. There's not much more they can do when they're trading up in the 2nd, especially when we're constantly picking at the end of round 1. The guys available in the mid-2nd aren't any worse than the guys we could pick at 32, honestly.

As for asking Pat to do more with less, Pat was all on board with drafting guys like Rice. He's not being asked, he's doing the asking. I think we should trust him a little.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Rashee Rice and Skyy Moore are 2nd-round picks. They both qualify as "little shifts". THAT is the investment here. There's not much more they can do when they're trading up in the 2nd, especially when we're constantly picking at the end of round 1. The guys available in the mid-2nd aren't any worse than the guys we could pick at 32, honestly.

As for asking Pat to do more with less, Pat was all on board with drafting guys like Rice. He's not being asked, he's doing the asking. I think we should trust him a little.

Well yeah, we’re taking actions to save the house after it was set on fire. When you have to fill 5 WR slots with two of them being central positions, you’re gonna throw resources at it. But we are in this place because we deprioritized in the past. And if history holds true if we get to a place of “good enough” at WR will we deprioritize again until the next dam bursts.

I don’t think we should have deprioritized in the first place forcing us to play catch-up. And we can’t stop there. If these guys are anything short of WR1 or a very good WR2, we’ve gotta keep swinging. If the goal is to use 2nd and 3rd round picks you gotta take a lot of swings. Even when our room is set we should always be keeping a strong pipeline so we have options when second contracts come due. The question is, will we keep our foot on the gas?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Well yeah, we’re taking actions to save the house after it was set on fire. When you have to fill 5 WR slots with two of them being central positions, you’re gonna throw resources at it. But we are in this place because we deprioritized in the past. And if history holds true if we get to a place of “good enough” at WR will we deprioritize again until the next dam bursts.

I don’t think we should have deprioritized in the first place forcing us to play catch-up. And we can’t stop there. If these guys are anything short of WR1 or a very good WR2, we’ve gotta keep swinging. If the goal is to use 2nd and 3rd round picks you gotta take a lot of swings. Even when our room is set we should always be keeping a strong pipeline so we have options when second contracts come due. The question is, will we keep our foot on the gas?

That's always going to happen unless you get really lucky and dudes taken late end up as starters.

The worst thing you can do in a draft is just take a dude cause he plays a certain position.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mecca

That's always going to happen unless you get really lucky and dudes taken late end up as starters.

The worst thing you can do in a draft is just take a dude cause he plays a certain position.

You’ve got to take a lot of swings and accept that you’ll have some misses. Our problem is that we haven’t swung until the last minute. There’s always been a fire somewhere else that was more important. It gets harder when you feel obligated to fill every single defensive and offensive position with quality starters.