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Old 08-25-2023, 04:19 PM   #1
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I just really wanna know when Quinnen Williams turned into an afterthought in these discussions.

Quinnen Williams is WAY closer to Chris Jones than Chris Jones is to the Aaron Donald that 'earned' that contract.

Aaron Donald was neck and neck with Reggie White in terms of pure dominance from the DT position. I mean he was an absolute monster at his apex. His stretch from 2017 to 2020 has to be close to the most dominant stretch of DL play ever. He was THAT good.

Jones is very very good. Again, HoF at his peak. But not Mount Rushmore of Defensive Linemen at his peak. And someday, if not already, Quinnen Williams will be that 'very very good' level of player in his own right, IMO.

Yes...The fact they are mentioned together in the same breath bothers me. Even this past season, CJ wasn't close to the dominance Aaron Donald displayed for most of his career and it was CJ's defining season.

CJ has been a good player. Last year was the first time I felt he was great. Even in his 2018 season where he had 15 sacks, he was awful against the run and the defense was historically bad.

Veach's mistake was not making a trade at the beginning of the off-season when the value was the highest. CJ talking out his ass about wanting to be a Chief for life etc may have tricked us all.
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Old 08-25-2023, 04:33 PM   #2
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Yes...The fact they are mentioned together in the same breath bothers me. Even this past season, CJ wasn't close to the dominance Aaron Donald displayed for most of his career and it was CJ's defining season.

CJ has been a good player. Last year was the first time I felt he was great. Even in his 2018 season where he had 15 sacks, he was awful against the run and the defense was historically bad.

Veach's mistake was not making a trade at the beginning of the off-season when the value was the highest. CJ talking out his ass about wanting to be a Chief for life etc may have tricked us all.
You have to have a trade partner on the other side to play ball.

I honestly don't think anyone wants to take on his predicted contract.
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Old 08-25-2023, 05:06 PM   #3
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You have to have a trade partner on the other side to play ball.

I honestly don't think anyone wants to take on his predicted contract.
Which is why I keep saying he needs to take the Taylor route.

Give him permission to seek a trade. See who wants to give him $30 million.

If nobody's going to blink, the only thing you can do is hold his eyelids open "A Clockwork Orange" style. FORCE him to see reality.

If he's right - make a trade rather than keep an unhappy player. If he's not, maybe he gets reasonable in a hurry.
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Old 08-25-2023, 05:11 PM   #4
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Which is why I keep saying he needs to take the Taylor route.

Give him permission to seek a trade. See who wants to give him $30 million.

If nobody's going to blink, the only thing you can do is hold his eyelids open "A Clockwork Orange" style. FORCE him to see reality.

If he's right - make a trade rather than keep an unhappy player. If he's not, maybe he gets reasonable in a hurry.
Exactly
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Old 08-26-2023, 12:54 PM   #5
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I just really wanna know when Quinnen Williams turned into an afterthought in these discussions.

Quinnen Williams is WAY closer to Chris Jones than Chris Jones is to the Aaron Donald that 'earned' that contract.

Aaron Donald was neck and neck with Reggie White in terms of pure dominance from the DT position. I mean he was an absolute monster at his apex. His stretch from 2017 to 2020 has to be close to the most dominant stretch of DL play ever. He was THAT good.

Jones is very very good. Again, HoF at his peak. But not Mount Rushmore of Defensive Linemen at his peak. And someday, if not already, Quinnen Williams will be that 'very very good' level of player in his own right, IMO.

And yet we just keep seeing writers say "well he's the closest the league has to Donald..."

He's great. But he's not that close to being Aaron Donald. And Quinnen Williams ain't that far from being Chris Jones. Jones isn't THAT much better than Hargrave was last year. He might not have been at ALL better than Dexter Lawrence was.

And while Jones was swinging out to the edge for some of his productivity (about 20% of his snaps there), Williams wasn't ever doing it. And Dexter Lawrence did ALL of his work from the damn A gap, which is absolutely bonkers. 63 pressures while being used only in the A/B gaps (and about 4-1 in the A gap) just doesn't happen.

Lawrence and Williams signed reasonable deals and have very VERY strong cases to make that they're more valuable assets over the next 4 seasons than Jones will be. And yet every damn article out there wants to act like Jones is Peak Donald 2.0.
Reggie White was a DE.
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Reggie White was a DE.
He was both.

He played DT at Tennessee and in the NFL he got moved him inside/outside a lot.

Like I said, he was something of a hybrid player. He had plenty of snaps from the 1 and 3 techniques. White, when he dropped inside, could do the same shit that Donald did. He was an absolute monster.
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Old 08-25-2023, 03:06 PM   #7
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I can't imagine CJ will be around much longer

at this rate anyone thinking he is going to show up and ball out I think is sadly mistaken

show up and half ass is more like it, especially if he doesn't show up until week 8

wonder if he had some kind of head injury or something because he has lost his ****ing mind.
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Old 08-25-2023, 03:54 PM   #8
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It’s kinda sad. Now we’re just waiting for it to drop on Twitter. You know it’s coming.
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It’s kinda sad. Now we’re just waiting for it to drop on Twitter. You know it’s coming.
I'm an easy lay, though.

If that deal were announced, I'd immediately start pumping myself over $20 million in FA next season, the potential of Dexter and the possibility of Fields shitting himself, us ending up in the top 10 and flipping that pick plus our late 1st for a shot at any of 5-8 guys who could've been the best talent in this year's draft.

The top of the '24 draft is a goddamn monster.

I'd be bummed - but there's still football to play and we still have the baddest mother****er on the planet under center. I'd get past it.
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I'm an easy lay, though.

If that deal were announced, I'd immediately start pumping myself over $20 million in FA next season, the potential of Dexter and the possibility of Fields shitting himself, us ending up in the top 10 and flipping that pick plus our late 1st for a shot at any of 5-8 guys who could've been the best talent in this year's draft.

The top of the '24 draft is a goddamn monster.

I'd be bummed - but there's still football to play and we still have the baddest mother****er on the planet under center. I'd get past it.
Imagine being able to do that and land in a position to snag the top LT in the draft or Marvin Harrison Jr.
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I'm an easy lay, though.

If that deal were announced, I'd immediately start pumping myself over $20 million in FA next season, the potential of Dexter and the possibility of Fields shitting himself, us ending up in the top 10 and flipping that pick plus our late 1st for a shot at any of 5-8 guys who could've been the best talent in this year's draft.

The top of the '24 draft is a goddamn monster.

I'd be bummed - but there's still football to play and we still have the baddest mother****er on the planet under center. I'd get past it.
Yeah….I’m nostalgic though.

I’d kinda like to see the big 3 lifers stay and kick ass.

Oh well
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It’s kinda sad. Now we’re just waiting for it to drop on Twitter. You know it’s coming.
What? An extention? A trade? News of the holdout continuing? What's coming that we already know?
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It’s kinda sad. Now we’re just waiting for it to drop on Twitter. You know it’s coming.
Good.

Ship his irrational, poor vibes ass out of town.
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I also don’t really think it’s ideal we will come out of this whole thing with no Tyreek or no Chris jones
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