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Old 08-25-2023, 09:05 AM  
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Why the Chiefs will pay a lot for Chris Jones
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Old 08-25-2023, 02:52 PM   #76
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This just seemed so simple.

"Wait until Williams and Lawrence sign; offer Jones a bit more..."

Done and done. Simple, easy, sensible as can be.

Then Jones and/or his agents had to just lose their damn minds. It's absolutely ridiculous.
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Old 08-25-2023, 02:57 PM   #77
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This just seemed so simple.

"Wait until Williams and Lawrence sign; offer Jones a bit more..."

Done and done. Simple, easy, sensible as can be.

Then Jones and/or his agents had to just lose their damn minds. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Anyone arguing “why didn’t Veach just…” seems to miss that there is another side to the negotiation. There’s a great chance that Jones hasn’t been reasonable and probably hasn’t been consistent in his demands either.
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Anyone arguing “why didn’t Veach just…” seems to miss that there is another side to the negotiation. There’s a great chance that Jones hasn’t been reasonable and probably hasn’t been consistent in his demands either.
I think his people lied.

Just flat out lied about Jones and his likely demands. They didn't want to see him traded and never intended to take a 'step up' deal over the rest of the contracts signed this season.

This may be the sort of thing that burns bridges with the organization. I don't know much about Jones' agency, but if they have other dudes looking for contracts in Kansas City - they'd better keep moving.

I firmly believe they have torched a TON of capital with this franchise. There's just no way they were up front in their demands this off-season and Veach stood pat.

And to be fair - they don't HAVE to be. There's nothing unethical about it - their duty is to their client and they may reasonably have believed this was the best way to get him what he wanted - to stay in KC and get Donald money in the end.

But i believe they've mis-read the room. I don't think the Chiefs are moving.
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I can't imagine CJ will be around much longer

at this rate anyone thinking he is going to show up and ball out I think is sadly mistaken

show up and half ass is more like it, especially if he doesn't show up until week 8

wonder if he had some kind of head injury or something because he has lost his ****ing mind.
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This just seemed so simple.

"Wait until Williams and Lawrence sign; offer Jones a bit more..."

Done and done. Simple, easy, sensible as can be.

Then Jones and/or his agents had to just lose their damn minds. It's absolutely ridiculous.
A lot do that shit is going around. Just mind numbingly stupid unless you are a consistently elite player.

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A lot do that shit is going around. Just mind numbingly stupid unless you are a consistently elite player.

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Best I can figure is they're banking on an exploding salary cap creating space next off-season that will help them get what they're looking for from SOMEONE.

And I do believe that if Jones hits the market unfettered, he could get something at/near what he's reportedly looking for.

But you ultimately have to give zero ****s about where you sign to get that done. Jones can get $24-25 million anywhere in football. Wherever he wants to play, he can play.

But if he wants $30 million, he's gonna have a small pool of probably really shitty teams to choose from. Hock's in the same boat - try to get WR money if you want and you MIGHT find it somewhere. But you're gonna be playing for an also-ran who's rebuilding and has cap space to spend but nobody worth spending it on.

Hope it's worth it...
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The league was different then. Most forget that Brady went to the pro bowl that year in addition to winning SB MVP. He also led GWDs vs both the Raiders and Rams that postseason. In 2002 he led the league in TDs with 28. That is how different things were then.
You mean the tuck rule game that even Brady knows was a BS call?
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Best I can figure is they're banking on an exploding salary cap creating space next off-season that will help them get what they're looking for from SOMEONE.

And I do believe that if Jones hits the market unfettered, he could get something at/near what he's reportedly looking for.

But you ultimately have to give zero ****s about where you sign to get that done. Jones can get $24-25 million anywhere in football. Wherever he wants to play, he can play.

But if he wants $30 million, he's gonna have a small pool of probably really shitty teams to choose from. Hock's in the same boat - try to get WR money if you want and you MIGHT find it somewhere. But you're gonna be playing for an also-ran who's rebuilding and has cap space to spend but nobody worth spending it on.

Hope it's worth it...

If you’re Chris jones and already have 2 rings…..what else you got to prove
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If you’re Chris jones and already have 2 rings…..what else you got to prove
"I'll only play for the Chiefs...."

I mean - it just seems comfort/familiarity mattered to him at SOME point.

Then someone got in his ear...
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"I'll only play for the Chiefs...."

I mean - it just seems comfort/familiarity mattered to him at SOME point.

Then someone got in his ear...
Yeah….it sucks

I dunno what else to do at this point thoigh.
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I just really wanna know when Quinnen Williams turned into an afterthought in these discussions.

Quinnen Williams is WAY closer to Chris Jones than Chris Jones is to the Aaron Donald that 'earned' that contract.

Aaron Donald was neck and neck with Reggie White in terms of pure dominance from the DT position. I mean he was an absolute monster at his apex. His stretch from 2017 to 2020 has to be close to the most dominant stretch of DL play ever. He was THAT good.

Jones is very very good. Again, HoF at his peak. But not Mount Rushmore of Defensive Linemen at his peak. And someday, if not already, Quinnen Williams will be that 'very very good' level of player in his own right, IMO.

And yet we just keep seeing writers say "well he's the closest the league has to Donald..."

He's great. But he's not that close to being Aaron Donald. And Quinnen Williams ain't that far from being Chris Jones. Jones isn't THAT much better than Hargrave was last year. He might not have been at ALL better than Dexter Lawrence was.

And while Jones was swinging out to the edge for some of his productivity (about 20% of his snaps there), Williams wasn't ever doing it. And Dexter Lawrence did ALL of his work from the damn A gap, which is absolutely bonkers. 63 pressures while being used only in the A/B gaps (and about 4-1 in the A gap) just doesn't happen.

Lawrence and Williams signed reasonable deals and have very VERY strong cases to make that they're more valuable assets over the next 4 seasons than Jones will be. And yet every damn article out there wants to act like Jones is Peak Donald 2.0.
Can't emphasize how accurate this post is.
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Can't emphasize how accurate this post is.
Well someone get that big-dicked sumbitch to read it!

I'd really prefer see #95, much richer than he ever dreamed he'd be, out there wrecking shit for us next season.
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It’s kinda sad. Now we’re just waiting for it to drop on Twitter. You know it’s coming.
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Well someone get that big-dicked sumbitch to read it!

I'd really prefer see #95, much richer than he ever dreamed he'd be, out there wrecking shit for us next season.
Good luck getting him to realize that he's good, but not one of the best to ever do it at his position good. Donald's contract is brutal, but you can at least justify it more. If I had my way Jones would never wear another uniform, but in order for that to happen he has to be somewhat reasonable.
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I think his people lied.

Just flat out lied about Jones and his likely demands. They didn't want to see him traded and never intended to take a 'step up' deal over the rest of the contracts signed this season.

This may be the sort of thing that burns bridges with the organization. I don't know much about Jones' agency, but if they have other dudes looking for contracts in Kansas City - they'd better keep moving.

I firmly believe they have torched a TON of capital with this franchise. There's just no way they were up front in their demands this off-season and Veach stood pat.

And to be fair - they don't HAVE to be. There's nothing unethical about it - their duty is to their client and they may reasonably have believed this was the best way to get him what he wanted - to stay in KC and get Donald money in the end.

But i believe they've mis-read the room. I don't think the Chiefs are moving.
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