Brett Veach hopes Chris Jones can play next week; increased talks last 2 days

[RunKC]

For the mega thread hating crew

#Chiefs GM Brett Veach says he's hopeful that DT Chris Jones will play in their season opener vs. the Lions, which is just eight days away.

Veach mentioned that there has been increased communication on an extension over the past two days. pic.twitter.com/MpLGt0mYhz

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) August 30, 2023

[TEX]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Even if he shows up cant the Chiefs hold him out for a week or two anyway and withold the pay? I remember reading something about such flexibility.

Yes. For up to two weeks.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by -King-

Because it is. This only counting new money thing is disingenuous as hell to me. If you give someone $500, and then $1000, and then $1000 you don't get to say you're paying them $1000 a year on average.

Whether it seems disingenuous to you or not, it’s how teams and players think about their contracts.

When Williams and Simmons and everyone else signed their extensions off their rookie deals, did we talk about their AAV in terms of the total deal including the last year of their rookie deals, or did we talk about the new money only (it was the latter, because that makes it higher).

Same thing with Hill and the Dolphins.

Everyone reports on the new money, unless they’re being disingenuous and trying to spin a narrative. See: Florio, Mike.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

This relationship is dead. No matter what happens the Jones we had is gone. Paid his price or not. We will not get the contract year guy again. It's over.

Sadly that is probably true.

[BleedingRed]

I love him, also Trade him

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

When Williams and Simmons and everyone else signed their extensions off their rookie deals, did we talk about their AAV in terms of the total deal including the last year of their rookie deals, or did we talk about the new money only (it was the latter, because that makes it higher).

Yup, this.

Simmons' cap hit is 6.35mm this year. It's then 44.6mm over the following 2 years (and then the dead cap drops a ton and they could very easily cut him if he fell off a cliff).

Williams' cap hit is 6.43mm this year. It's then 42.05mm over the following 2 years (and then also has dead cap dropping a ton).

Excluding his restructure bonus, Chris Jones' cap hit is 20mm this year. The Chiers offer of 74mm including this year is equivalent to 20mm/27.25mm/27.25mm. That 54mm (27.25 * 2) in new money is substantially more than these other guys.

He's absolutely being offered a reasonable deal and there was no reason to think back in March that he wouldn't accept this (especially in light of where the Simmons/Williams deals settled).

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I love him, also Trade him

This is pretty much exactly how I feel at this point.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Yup, this.

Simmons' cap hit is 6.35mm this year. It's then 44.6mm over the following 2 years (and then the dead cap drops a ton and they could very easily cut him if he fell off a cliff).

Williams' cap hit is 6.43mm this year. It's then 42.05mm over the following 2 years (and then also has dead cap dropping a ton).

Excluding his restructure bonus, Chris Jones' cap hit is 20mm this year. The Chiers offer of 74mm including this year is equivalent to 20mm/27.25mm/27.25mm. That 54mm (27.25 * 2) in new money is substantially more than these other guys.

He's absolutely being offered a reasonable deal and there was no reason to think back in March that he wouldn't accept this (especially in light of where the Simmons/Williams deals settled).

And I say this as someone who is generally an advocate for players being paid their worth…

But Jones and his agents are being unreasonable, negotiating in bad faith, and I have no sympathy for career earnings lost or negative repercussions from it.

The Chiefs are not a team you need to play hardball with.

But Jones and his team had to try to have their cake (the big deal they want) and eat it too (stay on the Chiefs).

Choose one.

Stay with the Chiefs on a deal that IS huge and pats you like you claimed you wanted.

Or get more than Aaron Donald on your new years.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by -King-

So why did Veach allow them to do that? If they're not giving you their demands, why would you not trade them ASAP? This scenario makes absolutely no sense.

Most likely (and this is me guessing) all parties were waiting for the other DTs to resign before talking final numbers. I think Jones always wanted to be the #2 DT and perhaps his camp thought Williams would sign for more than he did. This changed the leverage they had some as Veach could have made him the second highest paid DT, but closer to Williams. I could easily see them hoping that when Williams signed, he would get $27-$29 million which would allow them to get roughly what they were asking for.

I just don’t see Veach holding on to Jones if he knew that Jones was looking for $30 million a year when he could have traded him (which goes against what Veach typically does).

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I love him, also Trade him

Just be sure it's the vikings

[TLO]

Reporting for duty this morning

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

And I say this as someone who is generally an advocate for players being paid their worth…

But Jones and his agents are being unreasonable, negotiating in bad faith, and I have no sympathy for career earnings lost or negative repercussions from it.

The Chiefs are not a team you need to play hardball with.

But Jones and his team had to try to have their cake (the big deal they want) and eat it too (stay on the Chiefs).

Choose one.

Stay with the Chiefs on a deal that IS huge and pats you like you claimed you wanted.

Or get more than Aaron Donald on your new years.

It's the Money or Legacy line of thinking Tyreek employed - on one hand, Hill made 30 mil last year and lived on South Beach. On the other hand, Hill and his team were bounced in the wild card round and watched the team that drafted him with their generational QB win another championship and enter the conversation of being the next dynasty team.

So far, Jones seems to be choosing poorly when placed in the same scenario, because I think our GM has shown he's not shy about ultimately doing right by the team in these situations of contract talks for superstars. We'll see.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by TLO

Reporting for duty this morning

SWAG speculation, not actual news.

[In58men]

Punk bitch

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Oh, I didn't know? But, I was there firsthand live for the Titans in 2014 when we lost and the Texans in 2015, Chargers in 2016, Patriots in 2017, Chargers in 2018, Jaguars in 2019, and then Cardinals in 2022 when we won. I know how good Reid is after a bye and with time to plan.

Reid has also never had his best defensive player determine a week before the game that he really just wasn't showing up, and that's enough for the odds of our winning to go down by 10% in my view.

Good for you, man.

I’m glad your VC/finance/vulture capital job allows enough raping and pillaging of the middle class to attend 7 openers. Those sweetheart tax rates probably don’t hurt either.

Gold star.

[Bob Dole]

I just hope this hasn’t turned into a giant team distraction.