*** Official Week 2 MNF Thread - Saints @ Panthers / Browns @ Steelers ***

[wazu]

Not great games, but could still be entertaining. Mostly interested in Browns/Steelers. Is that Browns defense for real? Are the Steelers as terrible as they looked Week 1?

On ESPN: Saints -3 over Panthers, O/U 39.5
On ABC: Browns -2 over Steelers, O/U 38

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I forgot that. So basically TJ Watt isn't the Steelers all time career sack leader.

No idea. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if he wasn't.



But by the time he's done, he probably would be anyway, so it probably is a moot point anyway. TJ Watt is probably the best pass-rushing DE in the league.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

NFL didn't start keeping track of sacks until 1982.

Good point.

PFR has those estimates that some reputable organization prepared of the pre-1982 era, and they only show Joe Greene at 77.5 and L.C. Greenwood at 78, so they're still lower than the official record if you believe those estimates.

Of course, teams also threw a lot less often then. I bet those guys were better if you ratio the sacks against the pass attempts that they faced.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Bryce Young looks tiny out there

I want to see him next to the Browns' right tackle.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Good point.

PFR has those estimates that some reputable organization prepared of the pre-1982 era, and they only show Joe Greene at 77.5 and L.C. Greenwood at 78, so they're still lower than the official record if you believe those estimates.

Of course, teams also threw a lot less often then. I bet those guys were better if you ratio the sacks against the pass attempts that they faced.

All interesting points. Didn't think about the less pass attempts angle.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Bryce Young looks tiny out there

Thats because he is, he looks silly out there at QB

He looks like a smallish slot receiver

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Good point.

PFR has those estimates that some reputable organization prepared of the pre-1982 era, and they only show Joe Greene at 77.5 and L.C. Greenwood at 78, so they're still lower than the official record if you believe those estimates.

Of course, teams also threw a lot less often then. I bet those guys were better if you ratio the sacks against the pass attempts that they faced.

Yeah, it makes it a little more impressive when you consider that the vast majority of NFL teams ran the ball 40 times or more every game, and only threw it 25-30 times back then. Lot less opportunities for pass-rushers back in the day.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

All interesting points. Didn't think about the less pass attempts angle.

It would be cool to measure sacks that way, as a batting average of sacks per pass attempt. The data is out there and accessible, so it wouldn't be hard if one could download the data in a usable form.

I bet Joe Greene faced 20 attempts per game on average, while TJ Watt probably faces 35 attempts or more.

[Rain Man]

I might delve into stathead at some point to see if I can build a measure for the Chiefs' players.

[Megatron96]

Come on, Carr. do something different, and just run the clock out. No theatrics or other stupid crap. Just end it.

[mr. tegu]

I’m glad I got the live line for Saints -1.5 instead of -3 or 3.5 before the game started.

[George Liquor]

OH LOOK VEGAS CALLED AGAIN

[FloridaMan88]

Same knee that Chubb injured in college… potential career ending injury if it’s as bad as it looked.

[MahomesMagic]

Chubb now Za'Darius...

Brutal for the Browns.

[Megatron96]

Damn. forgot I had Chubb in my parlay. Nevermind. Don't care how either game turns out now.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

It would be cool to measure sacks that way, as a batting average of sacks per pass attempt. The data is out there and accessible, so it wouldn't be hard if one could download the data in a usable form.

I bet Joe Greene faced 20 attempts per game on average, while TJ Watt probably faces 35 attempts or more.

It would be next to impossible. You wouldn’t know if a particular player was on the field at the time of any given pass attempt.