Nick Bolton & Richie James are designated as OUT of the Bears game

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by kjwood75nro

If the best option for ST is Justin Watson fair-catching ST kicks, then why TF is Toub still employed?

Can anyone point me to any math of the expected points gained per punt return for a fair catch, a return and a not even fielded punt? If it causes a turnover every 5%-7% of plays I dont get why teams try to return it. Thesedays almost nobody is doing a good job of getting alot of yards on punt returns. Special teams coverage is more solved than ever. I feel like unless you are behind in a football game the strategy may be to not even have someone field the thing but Ive never seen math done. Not just rhe avg return...it needs to take into account the turnover rate as well.

[kjwood75nro]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Can anyone point me to any math of the expected points gained per punt return for a fair catch, a return and a not even fielded punt? If it causes a turnover every 5%-7% of plays I dont get why teams try to return it. Thesedays almost nobody is doing a good job of getting alot of yards on punt returns. Special teams coverage is more solved than ever. I feel like unless you are behind in a football game the strategy may be to not even have someone field the thing but Ive never seen math done. Not just rhe avg return...it needs to take into account the turnover rate as well.

I can't provide the math.

What I can provide is the observation that our special teams is, indeed, special, and Toub needs to be held accountable.

[SithCeNtZ]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Can anyone point me to any math of the expected points gained per punt return for a fair catch, a return and a not even fielded punt? If it causes a turnover every 5%-7% of plays I dont get why teams try to return it. Thesedays almost nobody is doing a good job of getting alot of yards on punt returns. Special teams coverage is more solved than ever. I feel like unless you are behind in a football game the strategy may be to not even have someone field the thing but Ive never seen math done. Not just rhe avg return...it needs to take into account the turnover rate as well.

From what I could find, historically you have about a 1.5% chance of losing a fumbled punt. So on average you probably lose 1-2 a year, which seems about right. I don't have the math in front of me, but I imagine the loss of yards by never attempting to catch a ball would outweigh 1-2 possessions a year, especially inside the 20.

[irafreak]

Originally Posted by SithCeNtZ

From what I could find, historically you have about a 1.5% chance of losing a fumbled punt. So on average you probably lose 1-2 a year, which seems about right. I don't have the math in front of me, but I imagine the loss of yards by never attempting to catch a ball would outweigh 1-2 possessions a year, especially inside the 20.

Or the practice from fielding punts allows a team to a have a chance to actually make a big play when needed. Does this team go to the suoerbowl without skyy Moore's punt return? Yeah it cost us the indy game but it was important foe the postseason. Just another perspective...

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by SithCeNtZ

From what I could find, historically you have about a 1.5% chance of losing a fumbled punt. So on average you probably lose 1-2 a year, which seems about right. I don't have the math in front of me, but I imagine the loss of yards by never attempting to catch a ball would outweigh 1-2 possessions a year, especially inside the 20.

If you never attempted to even catch the ball, punters would start punting so the ball would roll and you would get 70 yard punts with rolls.

Or if the punting team was closer, you would end up pinned on your own 1 or 2 yard line.