Offensive Tackles

[DJ's left nut]

His helmet is right at Smith's arm and Smith's arm is right at the beltline for the C and it'll be even closer when you cock the camara angle back 5-10 yards to deal with that angle. You can see Creed has his belt line hanging a little beyond the 49. Taylor, from that angle appears to be 6-9 inches behind the 49 at the crown of his helmet but with the angle you can easily 'gain' that 6-9 inches back through cocking the camera even with the LOS. At the very worst, he's even or even a little ahead of Donovan Smith at the snap.

Worse still - look at where the WRs are. The line judge can't have the answer there based on where everyone his standing. There's simply not a clear view. Moore, MVS and Kelce have 6 sets of legs between that official and the crown of Jawaan Taylor's helmet. And whether he is or if he isn't lined up too deep, there's no way to be sure of it based on that.

That's a targeted penalty. That's a penalty because the official WANTED it to be a penalty. There's no way that through 3 weeks there's been ONE other OT called for this and Taylor gets called for one that obviously borderline if the rules are being implemented neutrally.

This isn't the shit that Collinsworth was complaining about. Taylor was told he needs to adjust - he adjusted to where he is, at worst, doing the same thing every other OT in tackle is doing - and he's STILL getting penalized for it.

That's not a 'stop crying about it' thing - that's a 'stop targeting one single player in the entire NFL to make an example of...' thing.

This is bullshit. Full stop.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

His helmet is right at Smith's arm and Smith's arm is right at the beltline for the C and it'll be even closer when you cock the camara angle back 5-10 yards to deal with that angle. You can see Creed has his belt line hanging a little beyond the 49. Taylor, from that angle appears to be 6-9 inches behind the 49 at the crown of his helmet but with the angle you can easily 'gain' that 6-9 inches back through cocking the camera even with the LOS. At the very worst, he's even or even a little ahead of Donovan Smith at the snap.

Worse still - look at where the WRs are. The line judge can't have the answer there based on where everyone his standing. There's simply not a clear view. Moore, MVS and Kelce have 6 sets of legs between that official and the crown of Jawaan Taylor's helmet. And whether he is or if he isn't lined up too deep, there's no way to be sure of it based on that.

That's a targeted penalty. That's a penalty because the official WANTED it to be a penalty. There's no way that through 3 weeks there's been ONE other OT called for this and Taylor gets called for one that obviously borderline if the rules are being implemented neutrally.

This isn't the shit that Collinsworth was complaining about. Taylor was told he needs to adjust - he adjusted to where he is, at worst, doing the same thing every other OT in tackle is doing - and he's STILL getting penalized for it.

That's not a 'stop crying about it' thing - that's a 'stop targeting one single player in the entire NFL to make an example of...' thing.

This is bullshit. Full stop.

Unless you’ve got a better angle, it is clear that Jawaan is lined up illegally here.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Unless you’ve got a better angle, it is clear that Jawaan is lined up illegally here.

A) no it isn't. Because again - you're not at the LOS at that camera angle. We're talking 4-6 inches at most and I'm not certain that's the case when you do it at increments to account for the slight off LOS angle.

B) he's absolutely exactly aligned at the same depth as Donovan Smith. And the official can't see where he's aligned anyway due to obstruction. And wouldn't have thrown the flag on ANYONE else.

You gonna be okay if they start throwing a flag any time McDuffie slaps a WRs hands as he's running? By the strict letter of the rule, that's illegal contact. And McDuffie has been doing it since he was in high school - the same as EVERY DB is taught to do.

Again - this is being selectively enforced - at best. And the fact that you're cool shrugging and moving along is bizarre to me.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

A) no it isn't. Because again - you're not at the LOS at that camera angle. We're talking 4-6 inches at most and I'm not certain that's the case when you do it at increments to account for the slight off LOS angle.

B) he's absolutely exactly aligned at the same depth as Donovan Smith. And the official can't see where he's aligned anyway due to obstruction. And wouldn't have thrown the flag on ANYONE else.

You gonna be okay if they start throwing a flag any time McDuffie slaps a WRs hands as he's running? By the strict letter of the rule, that's illegal contact. And McDuffie has been doing it since he was in high school - the same as EVERY DB is taught to do.

Again - this is being selectively enforced - at best. And the fact that you're cool shrugging and moving along is bizarre to me.

“Item 1. Non-Snapper. If he is not the snapper, no part of his body is permitted to be in the neutral zone at the snap, and his helmet must break a vertical plane that passes through the beltline of the snapper”

You’re gonna have to get in Microsoft Paint and draw me some diagrams because in no universe is Jawaan’s head level with Creed’s waist

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

“Item 1. Non-Snapper. If he is not the snapper, no part of his body is permitted to be in the neutral zone at the snap, and his helmet must break a vertical plane that passes through the beltline of the snapper”

You’re gonna have to get in Microsoft Paint and draw me some diagrams because in no universe is Jawaan’s head level with Creed’s waist

You didn't address anything DJ actually said.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

“Item 1. Non-Snapper. If he is not the snapper, no part of his body is permitted to be in the neutral zone at the snap, and his helmet must break a vertical plane that passes through the beltline of the snapper”

You’re gonna have to get in Microsoft Paint and draw me some diagrams because in no universe is Jawaan’s head level with Creed’s waist

Again - tip of the helmet to the beltline. he doesn't have to have his whole head up there.

So take it incrementally to try to account for the angle. Look at where his head is in relation to Smith's head/shoulder. It's dead even with Smith's shoulder. Now look where Smith's OTHER shoulder is in relation to Creed's beltline - right even with it.

So we're talking, at best, a question of inches. Inches that linesman can't see because again, legs in the way AND Smith's head is in the way of Creed's ass.

The official is looking at something from 30 yards away that MIGHT be - might be - a question of inches. With an obstructed view of BOTH critical data points. And he's flagging it in a game where that kind of shit goes unflagged every single play.

Guys run motions that aren't completely perpendicular every play - they start upfield a half a heartbeat early and don't get flagged for it. DL get riiiiiiight up to the edge of the neutral zone every single play - only Dee Ford seems to get called for it. The NFL doesn't just typically overlook questions of mere inches or milliseconds (hell, think of how many delay penalties go uncalled because of the mechanic of looking up to see if the clock is at zero before looking down to see if the ball has been snapped) - they routinely do it.

If the NFL called every penalty the way they're calling Taylor, this league would be bankrupt in 3 weeks.

There's no ****ing way you can say this isn't hugely inequitable and again, I still don't see an actual foundation for a penalty by the strict letter of the rule there when you break it down as I did above.

This is so obviously horseshit that I'm surprised it needs to be pointed out.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You didn't address anything DJ actually said.

Because there’s little point if we can’t agree on the most basic part of this debate. Until we can agree on whether or not Jawaan is illegally lined up, everything else is pointless to talk about.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Again - tip of the helmet to the beltline. he doesn't have to have his whole head up there.

So take it incrementally to try to account for the angle. Look at where his head is in relation to Smith's head/shoulder. It's dead even with Smith's shoulder. Now look where Smith's OTHER shoulder is in relation to Creed's beltline - right even with it.

So we're talking, at best, a question of inches. Inches that linesman can't see because again, legs in the way AND Smith's head is in the way of Creed's ass.

The official is looking at something from 30 yards away that MIGHT be - might be - a question of inches. With an obstructed view of BOTH critical data points. And he's flagging it in a game where that kind of shit goes unflagged every single play.

Guys run motions that aren't completely perpendicular every play - they start upfield a half a heartbeat early and don't get flagged for it. DL get riiiiiiight up to the edge of the neutral zone every single play - only Dee Ford seems to get called for it. The NFL doesn't just typically overlook questions of mere inches or milliseconds (hell, think of how many delay penalties go uncalled because of the mechanic of looking up to see if the clock is at zero before looking down to see if the ball has been snapped) - they routinely do it.

If the NFL called every penalty the way they're calling Taylor, this league would be bankrupt in 3 weeks.

There's no ****ing way you can say this isn't hugely inequitable and again, I still don't see an actual foundation for a penalty by the strict letter of the rule there when you break it down as I did above.

This is so obviously horseshit that I'm surprised it needs to be pointed out.

Idk what more to say here. I’m just not seeing it.

I tried drawing a line from the tip of Jawaan’s helmet to Creed’s belt line and you can see it just doesn’t make sense. the camera angle makes it a bit ****y but I just can’t see how we can deduce that Taylor isn’t lined up illegally here.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Because there’s little point if we can’t agree on the most basic part of this debate. Until we can agree on whether or not Jawaan is illegally lined up, everything else is pointless to talk about.



Idk what more to say here. I’m just not seeing it.

I tried drawing a line from the tip of Jawaan’s helmet to Creed’s belt line and you can see it just doesn’t make sense. the camera angle makes it a bit ****y but I just can’t see how we can deduce that Taylor isn’t lined up illegally here.

It's exactly the camera angle.

And again, I'm also speaking directly to the 'well what if it's not the camera angle' element of it and saying, if not, it's STILL bullshit. It's 4-6 inches that are wholly irrelevant to the play that are, again, obstructed and a flag thrown by an official who WANTED to throw a flag.

it's just bullshit.