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**notorious** · 09-28-2023, 06:29 AM

People are starting to get tired of the once illegal "Tush Push".

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Should Eagles' tush push be banned?

Frank Schwab

The NFL has banned plays or strategies for different reasons through its history.

Sometimes it's for safety reasons. Once in a while it's because a play becomes uncompetitive. Oftentimes the league bans things just for the aesthetics of the game.

The Philadelphia Eagles' "tush push" checks all of those boxes.

When the Eagles have faced a third- or fourth-and-short the past two seasons, everyone knows what's coming and everyone knows it'll work. The Eagles align with Hurts under center, with a couple of teammates right behind him. On the snap, Hurts sneaks it forward and gets pushed from behind by his teammates. Just about every time it's a first down or a touchdown. Even if it's stopped once, good luck stopping it a second time.

It's pretty much unstoppable, and the frustration of it has gotten to the unfortunate point in which people are wishing harm on Hurts.
Eagles run tush push better than anyone else

It's surprising the NFL didn't ban the play last offseason. Like plenty of other strategic innovations, like the shift in Major League Baseball, sometimes leagues tip their cap to inventive teams and ban a play or strategy for the good of the game.

But the play stayed. And the Eagles keep running it. Hurts was asked about it Wednesday, and didn't seem to care if it got banned.

But, until that happens, the Eagles are still going to be unstoppable doing it.

"I have no thoughts on it," Hurts told the media Wednesday, when asked if the tush push should be banned. "We're the only people that are doing it as well as we are. There was a guy who wanted me hurt for it, too."

Hurts didn't clarify what he meant by the last comment. Though Wednesday, Chris Simms of NBC Sports said that if he was a defensive coach he'd be asking his players to go "headhunting" on the quarterback. Yikes.

Nobody, except maybe Simms, is saying the Eagles are doing anything wrong. It's within the rules and the Eagles take advantage of it.

Maybe it will take an injury to get the NFL's competition committee to reconsider. There seems to be a reasonable risk of injury when a large man is being pushed from behind into a scrum of much larger men. It's not a play that has a lot of suspense, after the Eagles run it over and over to success.

Then again, maybe if you ban the push, the Eagles would still be as good at quarterback sneaks. Having a quarterback with an insanely strong lower body running behind the NFL's best offensive line is probably going to work too, as former NFL defensive lineman J.J. Watt pointed out.

We're going to see a lot more of the play this season. But let's not insinuate that Hurts deserves to be injured just because the Eagles found a practically unstoppable play.

**BigRedChief** · 09-28-2023, 07:03 AM

thread fail. Asked a question but no poll?

We are not rugby. Ban that shit.

Chiefnj2 · 09-28-2023, 07:16 AM

I'm amazed not everybody is doing it with 2 or less yards to go. Seems like a no brainer to me. The NFL won't stop it/enforce it unless: (1) a star QB gets injured, (2) viewership goes down because all teams are doing it and it gets boring, or (3) Collinsworth complains in a prime-time game.

HC_Chief · 09-28-2023, 07:27 AM

No.
Don't like it? Git gud.

ThaVirus · 09-28-2023, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I'm amazed not everybody is doing it with 2 or less yards to go. Seems like a no brainer to me. The NFL won't stop it/enforce it unless: (1) a star QB gets injured, (2) viewership goes down because all teams are doing it and it gets boring, or (3) Collinsworth complains in a prime-time game.

The Eagles really are uniquely suited for the play.

They’re so much better at it than a team like KC would be.

crispystl · 09-28-2023, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

I think it's simpler than that... just saying you can't aid another player forward does the trick, and as notorious said, it was a rule for years (didn't realize it had been nearly 20 years though).

It's not a specific play per se, but a more fundamental rule for/against how you execute plays.

I personally don't really care and you'd also run into enforcement issues anyway, and the refs **** up enough stuff as it is, so I'd rather not give them another rule to **** up and over enforce.

You could even limit it to the person that takes the snap. If you can't aid that person then the play doesn't work and you aren't affecting any other part of the game.

Chiefnj2 · 09-28-2023, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

The Eagles really are uniquely suited for the play.

They’re so much better at it than a team like KC would be.

I would say that is speculative as KC hasn’t even tried a “normal “ QB sneak in years.

ThaVirus · 09-28-2023, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I would say that is speculative as KC hasn’t even tried a “normal “ QB sneak in years.

We’ve tried them several times over the years with Blake Bell.

Red Dawg · 09-28-2023, 08:03 AM

RB's get pushed while in a pile of their OL in a mob into the end zone all the time and I don't like that either. I don't think pushing your guy forward should be allowed. They have taken it to new heights with the QB sneak by lining up two players behind the QB. Even Brady never had that.

AdolfOliverBush · 09-28-2023, 08:10 AM

Defenses should start intentionally diving at the knees of the OL when they run this play. It'll stop soon enough.

Rainbarrel · 09-28-2023, 08:19 AM

They will find an answer. Only to have the Eagles fans question the legality of the answer. Seems familiar, can't place it

OKchiefs · 09-28-2023, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

Defenses should start intentionally diving at the knees of the OL when they run this play. It'll stop soon enough.

Can't dive at the QBs knees, correct? However, when they run this play the QB becomes a runner, so at that point they shouldn't have the same protection as normal as a QB as far as I"m aware. In that case defenses should come around the outside and start going low on Hurts. Not suggesting they try to injure him, but whatever happens happens. Minkah Fitzpatrick can go low on Chubb and it's apparently not dirty, in this case Hurts is no different than Chubb as a runner and his lower half should be fair game as well.

smithandrew051 · 09-28-2023, 08:24 AM

I hope it gets banned, because the Chiefs don’t run it. So, it only helps the Chiefs for it to go away.

I doubt that happens, so the Eagles will have to choose to stop running it. That’ll only happen if it becomes ineffective (unlikely) or someone important gets hurt doing it.

ReynardMuldrake · 09-28-2023, 08:25 AM

As soon as the Bills lose a playoff game from it, they will change the rule.

Wallcrawler · 09-28-2023, 08:36 AM

It's a yard. Big ****ing deal. If it's so unstoppable, call it yourself and take advantage.

**DaFace** · 09-28-2023, 08:36 AM

Maybe? But I really hate making rules clearly meant to impact one team. If it's so easy to exploit, other teams would be doing it.

09-28-2023, 06:29 AM
notorious Supporter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $-874116	Should Eagles' tush push be banned? It was not long ago. People are starting to get tired of the once illegal "Tush Push". https://www.yahoo.com/sports/should-...222308344.html Should Eagles' tush push be banned? Frank Schwab The NFL has banned plays or strategies for different reasons through its history. Sometimes it's for safety reasons. Once in a while it's because a play becomes uncompetitive. Oftentimes the league bans things just for the aesthetics of the game. The Philadelphia Eagles' "tush push" checks all of those boxes. When the Eagles have faced a third- or fourth-and-short the past two seasons, everyone knows what's coming and everyone knows it'll work. The Eagles align with Hurts under center, with a couple of teammates right behind him. On the snap, Hurts sneaks it forward and gets pushed from behind by his teammates. Just about every time it's a first down or a touchdown. Even if it's stopped once, good luck stopping it a second time. It's pretty much unstoppable, and the frustration of it has gotten to the unfortunate point in which people are wishing harm on Hurts. Eagles run tush push better than anyone else It's surprising the NFL didn't ban the play last offseason. Like plenty of other strategic innovations, like the shift in Major League Baseball, sometimes leagues tip their cap to inventive teams and ban a play or strategy for the good of the game. But the play stayed. And the Eagles keep running it. Hurts was asked about it Wednesday, and didn't seem to care if it got banned. But, until that happens, the Eagles are still going to be unstoppable doing it. "I have no thoughts on it," Hurts told the media Wednesday, when asked if the tush push should be banned. "We're the only people that are doing it as well as we are. There was a guy who wanted me hurt for it, too." Hurts didn't clarify what he meant by the last comment. Though Wednesday, Chris Simms of NBC Sports said that if he was a defensive coach he'd be asking his players to go "headhunting" on the quarterback. Yikes. Nobody, except maybe Simms, is saying the Eagles are doing anything wrong. It's within the rules and the Eagles take advantage of it. Maybe it will take an injury to get the NFL's competition committee to reconsider. There seems to be a reasonable risk of injury when a large man is being pushed from behind into a scrum of much larger men. It's not a play that has a lot of suspense, after the Eagles run it over and over to success. Then again, maybe if you ban the push, the Eagles would still be as good at quarterback sneaks. Having a quarterback with an insanely strong lower body running behind the NFL's best offensive line is probably going to work too, as former NFL defensive lineman J.J. Watt pointed out. We're going to see a lot more of the play this season. But let's not insinuate that Hurts deserves to be injured just because the Eagles found a practically unstoppable play.
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09-28-2023, 07:16 AM	#17
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6664388	I'm amazed not everybody is doing it with 2 or less yards to go. Seems like a no brainer to me. The NFL won't stop it/enforce it unless: (1) a star QB gets injured, (2) viewership goes down because all teams are doing it and it gets boring, or (3) Collinsworth complains in a prime-time game. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $1332858	RB's get pushed while in a pile of their OL in a mob into the end zone all the time and I don't like that either. I don't think pushing your guy forward should be allowed. They have taken it to new heights with the QB sneak by lining up two players behind the QB. Even Brady never had that. __________________ If you're not first you're last!
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AdolfOliverBush Banned Join Date: Apr 2019 Casino cash: $5920400	Defenses should start intentionally diving at the knees of the OL when they run this play. It'll stop soon enough.
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09-28-2023, 08:24 AM	#27
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09-28-2023, 08:36 AM	#30
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