Kudos to Veach and the OL

[Sassy Squatch]

From @NextGenStats: Patrick Mahomes has faced the lowest pressure rate of his career this season (25.4%).

— Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) September 27, 2023

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Look at Ballard's drafts after 2018.

2019
Rock Ya-Sin | Round 2, Pick 34
CB, Temple
Ben Banogu | Round 2, Pick 49
LB, TCU
Parris Campbell | Round 2, Pick 59
WR, Ohio State
Bobby Okereke | Round 3, Pick 89
LB, Stanford
Khari Willis | Round 4, Pick 109
S, Michigan State
Marvell Tell III | Round 5, Pick 144
S, USC
E.J. Speed | Round 5, Pick 164
LB, Tarleton State
Gerri Green | Round 6, Pick 199
DE, Mississippi State
Jackson Barton | Round 7, Pick 240
T, Utah
Javon Patterson | Round 7, Pick 246
C, Mississippi

2020
Michael Pittman Jr. | Round 2, Pick 34
WR, USC
Jonathan Taylor | Round 2, Pick 41
RB, Wisconsin
Julian Blackmon | Round 3, Pick 85
S, Utah
Jacob Eason | Round 4, Pick 122
QB, Washington
Danny Pinter | Round 5, Pick 149
G, Ball State
Robert Windsor | Round 6, Pick 193
DT, Penn State
Isaiah Rodgers | Round 6, Pick 211
CB, Massachusetts
Dezmon Patmon | Round 6, Pick 212
WR, Washington State
Jordan Glasgow | Round 6, Pick 213
LB, Michigan

2021
Kwity Paye | Round 1, Pick 21
DL, Michigan
Dayo Odeyingbo | Round 2, Pick 54
DL, Vanderbilt
Kylen Granson | Round 4, Pick 127
TE, SMU
Shawn Davis | Round 5, Pick 165
DB, Florida
Sam Ehlinger | Round 6, Pick 218
QB, Texas
Mike Strachan | Round 7, Pick 229
WR, Charleston (WV)
Will Fries | Round 7, Pick 248
OL, Penn State

2022
Alec Pierce | Round 2, Pick 53
WR, Cincinnati
Jelani Woods | Round 3, Pick 73
TE, Virginia
Bernhard Raimann | Round 3, Pick 77
OT, Central Michigan
Nick Cross | Round 3, Pick 96
S, Maryland
Eric Johnson | Round 5, Pick 159
DT, Missouri State
Andrew Ogletree | Round 6, Pick 192
TE, Youngstown State
Curtis Brooks | Round 6, Pick 216
DT, Cincinnati
Rodney Thomas II | Round 7, Pick 239
LB, Yale

2023
Anthony Richardson | Round 1, Pick 4
QB, Florida
Julius Brents | Round 2, Pick 44
CB, Kansas State
Josh Downs | Round 3, Pick 79
WR, North Carolina
Blake Freeland | Round 4, Pick 106
OT, BYU
Adetomiwa Adebawore | Round 4, Pick 110
DL, Northwestern
Darius Rush | Round 5, Pick 138
CB, South Carolina
Daniel Scott | Round 5, Pick 158
S, California
Will Mallory | Round 5, Pick 162
TE, Miami (FL)
Evan Hull | Round 5, Pick 179
RB, Northwestern
Titus Leo | Round 6, Pick 211
EDGE, Wagner
Jaylon Jones | Round 7, Pick 221
CB, Texas A&M
Jake Witt | Round 7, Pick 236
OT, Northern Michigan


Those are not worse than the Patriots picks.

[Sassy Squatch]

I mean, we can almost assuredly pencil in Belicheck NOT trading up for McDuffie. For starters.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Why is dude talking about Josh McDaniels anyway? Lol. He’s like one of the worst head coaches of all time. Any team left in his hands would instantly crumble.

It's pretty astonishing just how reeruned you are.

The point is how Belichick the HC covers for Belichick the GM.

Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

That roster is shit, because of Belichick the GM, but Belichick the HC gives you a 7-9 win floor because he's an absolute defensive wizard that always out coaches average to bad teams.

Most GMs get a McDaniels as their HC, not a Belichick. You understand that, right?

[Mecca]

At this point I'll go out on a very thick limb and say Jonathan Taylor and Michael Pittman are better than any NE skill player drafted in the last 10 years.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch

I mean, we can almost assuredly pencil in Belicheck NOT trading up for McDuffie. For starters.

Yup, traded down when the only guy Veach felt was a 1st rounder was sitting right in his lap.

He did it to draft G Cole Strange. I don't know how good he's been, but his PFF grade is ****ing awful, so I'm going to assume he's as bad of a draft pick and a reach as everybody thought he was.

It's not like he didn't need a CB either. He got one this year with Christian Gonzalez, and he looks great.

But it's a lot easier drafting in the top 20 than picks 29-32...

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mecca

At this point I'll go out on a very thick limb and say Jonathan Taylor and Michael Pittman are better than any NE skill player drafted in the last 10 years.

100%

And I like Rhamondre Stevenson.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by staylor26

A contender? Sure. A dynasty? Absolutely not with Belichick the GM.

Don't just ignore my point about the dynamic of Belichick being a defensive wizard combined with a great QB. That is a huge factor, and has absolutely nothing to do with Belichick the GM.

Again, the discussion is about whether we would have the same amount of success that we've had over the last 5 years, and how we would be set up for success for the next 5.

With Belichick's shit draft versus Veach's great drafts, the difference would be significant, and anybody arguing different is ****ing reeruned.

I didn’t ignore it. I mentioned it with my “synergy” comment.

Seems you think the combination of BelichickHC and Brady is far superior to that of Reid and Mahomes. Not the direction I’d take things but do you, bud.

Originally Posted by staylor26

Most GMs get a McDaniels as their HC, not a Belichick. You understand that, right?

Unless you’re going to replace Hall of Famer Andy Reid in KC with Josh McDaniels, what you’re saying is irrelevant.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

100%

And I like Rhamondre Stevenson.

Shit Josh Downs is probably better than any receiver NE has picked.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I didn’t ignore it. I mentioned it with my “synergy” comment.

Seems you think the combination of BelichickHC and Brady is far superior to that of Reid and Mahomes. Not the direction I’d take things but do you, bud.



Unless you’re going to replace Hall of Famer Andy Reid in KC with Josh McDaniels, what you’re saying is irrelevant.

"Far superior"? JFC give me a break. And you give me shit for saying "seems like".

That's not at all what I'm saying you dumb ****. I'm simply saying that having a defensive wizard and a great HC gives you a higher floor and ceiling.

It's not Reid's fault that he's an offensive minded HC. It's not a knock whatsoever. It's just the truth.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I didn’t ignore it. I mentioned it with my “synergy” comment.

Seems you think the combination of BelichickHC and Brady is far superior to that of Reid and Mahomes. Not the direction I’d take things but do you, bud.



Unless you’re going to replace Hall of Famer Andy Reid in KC with Josh McDaniels, what you’re saying is irrelevant.

He's right...the HC Belichick covers up a lot of their poor drafts...with a more normal HC they'd be winning 4 or 5 games instead of 7.

Not many GM's get that luxury, hell some GM's draft and build good teams and the coach ****s it all up.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mecca

He's right...the HC Belichick covers up a lot of their poor drafts...with a more normal HC they'd be winning 4 or 5 games instead of 7.

Not many GM's get that luxury, hell some GM's draft and build good teams and the coach ****s it all up.

And it's relevant with Reid because Reid has absolutely nothing to do with the defense, and you still need talent on offense to have the success that we've had over the last 5 years.

What if Wynn was our LT answer?

What if it was US paying JuJu and letting Meyers walk for a little more?

What if it was us losing Joe Thuney due to overpaying for other FAs to try to make up for bad draft picks?

What if we draft Tyquan Thornton instead of Skyy Moore (our #2 WR currently that everybody hates)?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

And it's relevant with Reid because Reid has absolutely nothing to do with the defense, and you still need talent on offense to have the success that we've had over the last 5 years.

What if Wynn was our LT answer?

What if it was US paying JuJu and letting Meyers walk for a little more?

What is it was us losing Joe Thuney due to overpaying for other FAs to try to make up for bad draft picks?

What if we draft Tyquan Thornton instead of Skyy Moore (our #2 WR currently that everybody hates)?

Tyquan Thornton is basically useless. That team can't draft WR's at all.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Tyquan Thornton is basically useless. That team can't draft WR's at all.

I will gladly take Mecole Hardman, Skyy Moore, and Rashee Rice's over Tyquan Thornton and K'Keal Harry's.

And that's really Veach's only weakness so far. Pretty confident Rice ends that narrative though.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch

Belicheck put MATT PATRICIA and JOE JUDGE in charge of developing Mac Jones. Yeah, o ****ing wonder he's regressed and may have had his career permanently altered.

How quickly we forget that Chris Ballard hired Jeff Saturday as an interim coach and had some thoughts about hiring him to be their coach this year before going with Steichen.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Tyquan Thornton is basically useless. That team can't draft WR's at all.

Mecole Hardman without Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes