Chiefs A Level Headed Review Week 4 2023 - Page 4

DenverChief · 09:49 PM

I'll preface this weeks review with the fact I was unable to watch the 3rd Q.

1. Isaiah Pacheco - his vision just keeps getting better and better. I have been waiting for him to break a long TD run. Seemed like he was always one defender or one juke away from breaking a long TD. We saw that tonight with an amazing lead block by Smith. 100+ yards on the night was really the workhorse of the game. I feel like he will be a 1200 back for us this year.

2. Patrick Mahomes - 2 Interceptions that just didn't make a whole lot of sense, the fumble on the snap 1st down was pure luck. But Patrick being Patrick puts the team on his back when it really counts and runs for 25 yards on 3rd and 23 and again on 3rd and 10 at the end of the game. Screw the score slide down and drain the clock. Love watching Patrick extend plays but I feel like the Jets played the back yard ball well tonight.

3. Defense - Not sure what happened but early on the Defense was dominating and as the game went on they seemed to regress until the 4th quarter. It was almost like maximum effort in the 1st and 4th Quarters and sleep walking in the 2nd and 3rd. Chiefs got lucky on some dropped TD passes and a missed FG. Wharton being Johnny on the spot with the fumble recovery really sealed the NYJ fate. Brian Cook had a nice open field tackle on the Hall run and Mike Edwards almost had a nice pick.

4. Offense- gotta clean up the holding, work on some red zone scoring - none of the WR's are getting open. Not sure what the problem is but our leading receivers were Kelce (60 yards), Pacheco (43 yards), Gray (34 yards), Rice (32 yards) and Toney (22 yards). This is unacceptable. MVS, Watson, and Moore all just disappeared in the passing game. There was no respect for our WR's they were playing man most of the night their secondary was keeping our WR's in check for the most part. I'll admit I had no idea that any offensive penalty in the End Zone was a Safety - I thought it was only holding - even thought the face mask was initiated outside the End Zone the refs decided to give the Safety anyway.

5. Washington again did a phenomenal job on punts. After the first game and last season it's nice to have some solid play at the PR position.

6. I'll need to rewatch the game but surprisingly no illegal formation calls. Not sure if that was our adjustment or the league got the message from Andy.

7. Mecole Hartman didn't get any receptions. Not sure how many snaps he played but he isn't really factoring into the NYJ Offense.

**notorious** · 10-02-2023, 06:29 AM

Anyone remember Pach getting lit up on a run to the right, stumbling a little bit then he went into a pushup routine.

He's wired different. He's an uncaged wild animal out there.

DrunkBassGuitar · 10-02-2023, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Fireman Ed can go fist his own asshole.

i don't think he can reach it

HC_Chief · 10-02-2023, 08:19 AM

Right side of the OL got dominated. Smith and Taylor were beat like a floor tom all night long. Brutal.

Mahomes floated a couple. It was weird... he usually flings the ball from those odd angles, but last night he had no velocity.

Pacheco is a frigging stud. What a weapon. He looked like Jamaal Charles on that 48yd burst for a TD. Also caught the ball well from the backfield.

MEH is awful. He had the edge wide open on a swing pass and somehow was slower than the DE and was brought down for minimal yards. That play should have gone for 10+. Enough already. Bench him, and bring up Perine.

Speaking of enough already, that cutesy 3rd and short bullshit needs to die in a fire.

Zach Wilson played the best game of his career and the Jets defense played inspired. That was a tough fought game.

The refs sucked ass all night. Horse collar? Seriously? Safety, when the facemask occurred at the 1yl? Phantom holds, then missed blatant holds. Incompetence on full display. The NFL needs to fix this shit.

And speaking of shit that needs to get fixed: Rice continued his streak of dropping the first pass in a game.

JPH83 · 10-02-2023, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Right side of the OL got dominated. Smith and Taylor were beat like a floor tom all night long. Brutal.

Mahomes floated a couple. It was weird... he usually flings the ball from those odd angles, but last night he had no velocity.

Pacheco is a frigging stud. What a weapon. He looked like Jamaal Charles on that 48yd burst for a TD. Also caught the ball well from the backfield.

MEH is awful. He had the edge wide open on a swing pass and somehow was slower than the DE and was brought down for minimal yards. That play should have gone for 10+. Enough already. Bench him, and bring up Perine.

Speaking of enough already, that cutesy 3rd and short bullshit needs to die in a fire.

Zach Wilson played the best game of his career and the Jets defense played inspired. That was a tough fought game.

The refs sucked ass all night. Horse collar? Seriously? Safety, when the facemask occurred at the 1yl? Phantom holds, then missed blatant holds. Incompetence on full display. The NFL needs to fix this shit.

And speaking of shit that needs to get fixed: Rice continued his streak of dropping the first pass in a game.

Our DL wasn't very good for much of the game against a pretty average OL, one of the bigger disappointments. LBs struggled a bit in coverage again, still waiting for Tranquil to get it together on this. Secondary even looked average. Against Garrett Wilson I get it, against the other guys not so much. But they also had solid moments.

The OL was bad but that's a solid Jets DL. Right now, Taylor is not playing like a top-5 paid RT. He just has to get better to justify that money. WRs were outplayed by DBs who are just better players than them imo. That's fine, Jets' secondary is good, our guys have room to grow. Rice's drops are a concern. I like the player but it just has to improve.

Pacheco was excellent. Mahomes was poor in the middle Qs but came good. Standard.

We were crap basically. But they were never beating us and winning while playing poorly normally means you're decent.

AdolfOliverBush · 10-02-2023, 08:47 AM

I feel like CEH drains the energy from any room he walks into.

DJJasonp · 10-02-2023, 08:47 AM

receivers are not getting open. period. full stop.

This is and will continue to be an issue.

This talk preseason of our offense being unstoppable and Mahomes going "god mode" was ridiculous.

We need either:

A) better scheming to get WRs open

B) better receivers

or both.

DJJasonp · 10-02-2023, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

I feel like CEH drains the energy from any room he walks into.

the guy might have the drive, but lacks the speed.

That swing pass where he was caught because he couldnt get around the end fast enough......we've seen it, everyone's seen it (but the coaches?).......

It's not going to get any better than that.....so scrap it.

Hammock Parties · 10-02-2023, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp

receivers are not getting open. period. full stop.

in ONE GAME

they just had almost 200 yards receiving in BOTH of the previous two games

we're the third ranked ****ing offense

jettio · 10-02-2023, 08:53 AM

Tommy Townsend free kick from the 20-yd line to the end zone for a touchback with no touch by the returner deserves mention.

I do not know if I have ever seen a post-safety free kick from the twenty be a land on the ground touchback.

Couch-Potato · 10-02-2023, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp

receivers are not getting open. period. full stop.

This is and will continue to be an issue.

This talk preseason of our offense being unstoppable and Mahomes going "god mode" was ridiculous.

We need either:

A) better scheming to get WRs open

B) better receivers

or both.

I recall vividly a play where Pat was able to sit in the pocket for an insane amount of time, I was screaming at the TV "What are you doing!? Let it rip!" They showed the replay and we didn't have a single WR that wasn't covered like he was wearing a green jacket. Not a single WR open, for even a moment.

crispystl · 10-02-2023, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Anyone remember Pach getting lit up on a run to the right, stumbling a little bit then he went into a pushup routine.

He's wired different. He's an uncaged wild animal out there.

After Mahomes and Kelce he's my favorite player. I love his attitude.

Molitoth · 10-02-2023, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I recall vividly a play where Pat was able to sit in the pocket for an insane amount of time, I was screaming at the TV "What are you doing!? Let it rip!" They showed the replay and we didn't have a single WR that wasn't covered like he was wearing a green jacket. Not a single WR open, for even a moment.

I remember that as well...

1) That defense is legit.
2) Our WR's are average players.
3) But Mahomes even on an off-day.

Zebedee DuBois · 10-02-2023, 10:27 AM

I would love to see a gif of the Trey Smith block the sprung Pacheco' TD.

(and I pronounce gif with a hard G (like God intended (because God's G is a hard G)), so please read it that way in your minds)

old_geezer · 10-02-2023, 10:29 AM

My takeaway from this game is this Taylor Swift crap is hurting the Chiefs. It was obvious to me that Mahomes was pressing, trying his best to get Kelsey the ball too much. He was way off his game lofting "touch" passes more often than not. He knew he was doing it too (Thus his comment to just "throw the ball" as he was coming off the field after his first interception). The icing on the cake was his absolute refusal to use his check down receivers. The Jets were giving him wide open check downs all game and he ignored them trying for the deep ball.

AdolfOliverBush · 10-02-2023, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by old_geezer

My takeaway from this game is this Taylor Swift crap is hurting the Chiefs. It was obvious to me that Mahomes was pressing, trying his best to get Kelsey the ball too much.

Had you ever watched the Chiefs before last night?

10-01-2023, 09:37 PM
DenverChief Pedantic Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rocky Ford Casino cash: $3072617	A Level Headed Review Week 4 2023 I'll preface this weeks review with the fact I was unable to watch the 3rd Q. 1. Isaiah Pacheco - his vision just keeps getting better and better. I have been waiting for him to break a long TD run. Seemed like he was always one defender or one juke away from breaking a long TD. We saw that tonight with an amazing lead block by Smith. 100+ yards on the night was really the workhorse of the game. I feel like he will be a 1200 back for us this year. 2. Patrick Mahomes - 2 Interceptions that just didn't make a whole lot of sense, the fumble on the snap 1st down was pure luck. But Patrick being Patrick puts the team on his back when it really counts and runs for 25 yards on 3rd and 23 and again on 3rd and 10 at the end of the game. Screw the score slide down and drain the clock. Love watching Patrick extend plays but I feel like the Jets played the back yard ball well tonight. 3. Defense - Not sure what happened but early on the Defense was dominating and as the game went on they seemed to regress until the 4th quarter. It was almost like maximum effort in the 1st and 4th Quarters and sleep walking in the 2nd and 3rd. Chiefs got lucky on some dropped TD passes and a missed FG. Wharton being Johnny on the spot with the fumble recovery really sealed the NYJ fate. Brian Cook had a nice open field tackle on the Hall run and Mike Edwards almost had a nice pick. 4. Offense- gotta clean up the holding, work on some red zone scoring - none of the WR's are getting open. Not sure what the problem is but our leading receivers were Kelce (60 yards), Pacheco (43 yards), Gray (34 yards), Rice (32 yards) and Toney (22 yards). This is unacceptable. MVS, Watson, and Moore all just disappeared in the passing game. There was no respect for our WR's they were playing man most of the night their secondary was keeping our WR's in check for the most part. I'll admit I had no idea that any offensive penalty in the End Zone was a Safety - I thought it was only holding - even thought the face mask was initiated outside the End Zone the refs decided to give the Safety anyway. 5. Washington again did a phenomenal job on punts. After the first game and last season it's nice to have some solid play at the PR position. 6. I'll need to rewatch the game but surprisingly no illegal formation calls. Not sure if that was our adjustment or the league got the message from Andy. 7. Mecole Hartman didn't get any receptions. Not sure how many snaps he played but he isn't really factoring into the NYJ Offense. Last edited by DenverChief; 10-01-2023 at 09:49 PM..
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notorious Supporter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $-1024116	Anyone remember Pach getting lit up on a run to the right, stumbling a little bit then he went into a pushup routine. He's wired different. He's an uncaged wild animal out there.
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HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	Right side of the OL got dominated. Smith and Taylor were beat like a floor tom all night long. Brutal. Mahomes floated a couple. It was weird... he usually flings the ball from those odd angles, but last night he had no velocity. Pacheco is a frigging stud. What a weapon. He looked like Jamaal Charles on that 48yd burst for a TD. Also caught the ball well from the backfield. MEH is awful. He had the edge wide open on a swing pass and somehow was slower than the DE and was brought down for minimal yards. That play should have gone for 10+. Enough already. Bench him, and bring up Perine. Speaking of enough already, that cutesy 3rd and short bullshit needs to die in a fire. Zach Wilson played the best game of his career and the Jets defense played inspired. That was a tough fought game. The refs sucked ass all night. Horse collar? Seriously? Safety, when the facemask occurred at the 1yl? Phantom holds, then missed blatant holds. Incompetence on full display. The NFL needs to fix this shit. And speaking of shit that needs to get fixed: Rice continued his streak of dropping the first pass in a game. __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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AdolfOliverBush Banned Join Date: Apr 2019 Casino cash: $5920400	I feel like CEH drains the energy from any room he walks into.
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10-02-2023, 08:47 AM	#51
DJJasonp My work speaks for itself!!! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $-1944800	receivers are not getting open. period. full stop. This is and will continue to be an issue. This talk preseason of our offense being unstoppable and Mahomes going "god mode" was ridiculous. We need either: A) better scheming to get WRs open B) better receivers or both. __________________ Its easier to fool a man, than to convince a man he's been fooled.
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jettio MVP Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $4504930	Tommy Townsend free kick from the 20-yd line to the end zone for a touchback with no touch by the returner deserves mention. I do not know if I have ever seen a post-safety free kick from the twenty be a land on the ground touchback. __________________ Where Ignorance is Bliss, 'Tis Folly to be Wise. __
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10-02-2023, 10:29 AM	#59
old_geezer bite me Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Windsor, Mo. Casino cash: $-2465262	My takeaway from this game is this Taylor Swift crap is hurting the Chiefs. It was obvious to me that Mahomes was pressing, trying his best to get Kelsey the ball too much. He was way off his game lofting "touch" passes more often than not. He knew he was doing it too (Thus his comment to just "throw the ball" as he was coming off the field after his first interception). The icing on the cake was his absolute refusal to use his check down receivers. The Jets were giving him wide open check downs all game and he ignored them trying for the deep ball. __________________ If you can see Chuck Norris, he can see you. If you can't see Chuck Norris you may be only seconds away from death.
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