Chiefs Is Caleb Williams the next Patrick Mahomes?

**lewdog** · 10-14-2023, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Did you actually waste $$$ and go to the game to admire Caleb Williams as you claimed you were planning to do?

Imagine wasting $$$ as a Caleb Williams fanboy only to watch Caleb choke in person.

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

OMG I spent money that means nothing to go to a football game! How will I ever survive this experience where I got an evening off from being a parent?!

You owned me with that!

Keep deflecting from the fact that you’re one of the biggest pussies here. Apparently after this you think he’s more of a total fraud but you’re still too scared to accept the original bet on his NFL success.

Pat yourself on the back for bravery!

Damn, what is this win/lose of this bet?

And I don't know how you watch Williams play against a legitimate defense in ND tonight and not take a bet if you already had doubts on him. Nothing he's doing screams high NFL talent to me.

BryanBusby · 10-14-2023, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog

Damn, what is this win/lose of this bet?

And I don't know how you watch Williams play against a legitimate defense in ND tonight and not take a bet if you already had doubts on him. Nothing he's doing screams high NFL talent to me.

Same. I've seen some comparisons to Luck and I just don't see it. Not even close.

The Bears would be smart to sell on that #1 pick if the hype maintains to the draft. They could set themselves for a long time, again.

staylor26 · 10-14-2023, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Same. I've seen some comparisons to Luck and I just don't see it. Not even close.

The Bears would be smart to sell on that #1 pick if the hype maintains to the draft. They could set themselves for a long time, again.

I've never seen comparisons to Luck. I think it's just that people feel like he's a true generational QB prospect like Luck, and the only since.

BryanBusby · 10-14-2023, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I've never seen comparisons to Luck. I think it's just that people feel like he's a true generational QB prospect like Luck, and the only since.

Well not like compared by physical traits, but by being the most polished QB prospect since Luck.

Nope. Not even in the same atmosphere. There's some tools but yeah.

staylor26 · 10-14-2023, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Well not like compared by physical traits, but by being the most polished QB prospect since Luck.

Nope. Not even in the same atmosphere. There's some tools but yeah.

I don't think he's as good of a prospect as Luck either.

But I like him more than I like Lawrence.

Burrow and him would be close.

JohnnyV13 · 10-14-2023, 10:15 PM

It's damn unlikely that Caleb Williams is the next Mahomes. People who ask that question don't appreciate just how "generational" a talent Patrick Mahomes is for the Chiefs.

MAHOMES IS IN A CLASS BY HIMSELF IN NFL HISTORY. The way we keep stats creates an illusion that other QBs can compare to him. But in situational metrics, he's killing the entire NFL---even historically great QBs like Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning or Drew Brees don't compare.

On this point, I'll present an article from Seth Keysor (Chief in the North Substack)

“Patrick Mahomes is breaking statistical analysis.”

I wrote those words almost two full years ago, when I wrote about how Mahomes has managed to dominate the league statistically in a way that causes him to break almost every single chart he’s a part of.

Since that time, one would expect that Mahomes’ statistical absurdity would cease, or at least slow down. After all, the NFL is designed to humble everyone and create parity. Multiple very talented quarterbacks have exploded onto the scene who should narrow the gap between Mahomes and the field. Defenses are gunning for the best way to slow down the Chiefs. He lost Tyreek Hill in a trade prior to the 2022 season.

All of these things should have led to a return to relative normalcy for Mahomes. But it hasn’t. Not even close. It seems like every other week or so a new chart shows up with Mahomes being placed so far above the field (and other elite quarterbacks) that he basically breaks the scale. We whistle in amazement and retweet/restack, and then move on.

Today, I’m going to do my best to put all the best of those charts in one place, and explain briefly what each of them mean in practice. The end point is that Patrick Mahomes remains, in a league full of terrific quarterbacks, an outlier. His distance from the field in meaningful measures of quarterback play should not ever be taken for granted, especially doing so over the course of 5 full years. In short; We’ve never seen anyone like this. And that’s what makes him The Outlier.

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This is only the intro to a very long article. I'd post it here b/c Keysor has it unlocked on his substack b/c he's trying to use it to scare up subscriptions. (BTW, I'd recommend it). Plus, it has a huge number of charts that I'd don't know would embed well here.

One glance at these charts shows what an outlier he is. And, until I looked at them, I didn't quite grasp how off the charts Mahimes is for us. So clink the link, you won't be disappointed.

LINK: MAHOMES IS A DAMN UNICORN!

10-14-2023, 10:15 PM	#6
JohnnyV13 Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tucson AZ Casino cash: $5385200	The Outlier Part 2: Patrick Mahomes continues to break charts It's damn unlikely that Caleb Williams is the next Mahomes. People who ask that question don't appreciate just how "generational" a talent Patrick Mahomes is for the Chiefs. MAHOMES IS IN A CLASS BY HIMSELF IN NFL HISTORY. The way we keep stats creates an illusion that other QBs can compare to him. But in situational metrics, he's killing the entire NFL---even historically great QBs like Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning or Drew Brees don't compare. On this point, I'll present an article from Seth Keysor (Chief in the North Substack) “Patrick Mahomes is breaking statistical analysis.” I wrote those words almost two full years ago, when I wrote about how Mahomes has managed to dominate the league statistically in a way that causes him to break almost every single chart he’s a part of. Since that time, one would expect that Mahomes’ statistical absurdity would cease, or at least slow down. After all, the NFL is designed to humble everyone and create parity. Multiple very talented quarterbacks have exploded onto the scene who should narrow the gap between Mahomes and the field. Defenses are gunning for the best way to slow down the Chiefs. He lost Tyreek Hill in a trade prior to the 2022 season. All of these things should have led to a return to relative normalcy for Mahomes. But it hasn’t. Not even close. It seems like every other week or so a new chart shows up with Mahomes being placed so far above the field (and other elite quarterbacks) that he basically breaks the scale. We whistle in amazement and retweet/restack, and then move on. Today, I’m going to do my best to put all the best of those charts in one place, and explain briefly what each of them mean in practice. The end point is that Patrick Mahomes remains, in a league full of terrific quarterbacks, an outlier. His distance from the field in meaningful measures of quarterback play should not ever be taken for granted, especially doing so over the course of 5 full years. In short; We’ve never seen anyone like this. And that’s what makes him The Outlier. _________________________________________________ This is only the intro to a very long article. I'd post it here b/c Keysor has it unlocked on his substack b/c he's trying to use it to scare up subscriptions. (BTW, I'd recommend it). Plus, it has a huge number of charts that I'd don't know would embed well here. One glance at these charts shows what an outlier he is. And, until I looked at them, I didn't quite grasp how off the charts Mahimes is for us. So clink the link, you won't be disappointed. LINK: MAHOMES IS A DAMN UNICORN! Last edited by JohnnyV13; 10-15-2023 at 09:20 AM..
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