Chiefs Silver Lining: George Karlaftis - Page 2

RunKC · 10-30-2023, 09:33 AM

Man has this guy grown in his 2nd year. He's got as many sacks halfway through the season as he did as a rookie. Yesterday really highlighted his growth. 2.5 sacks, 1.5 run stuffs and a FF.

The guy is on pace for 13 sacks. He is also one of the top 10 players in the league in pressures as wel. He's just been kicking ass.

He's a very good run defender, he's really good batting passes and he's been good rushing the passer.

We may be looking at a perennial double-digit sack artist here. And Tamba's martial arts training with him has shown up as well. He's not just faster but uses his hands well.

Since he figured it out last year mid ish season he's got 12 sacks in his last 18 games.

Otter · 10-30-2023, 11:18 AM

Dude is looking very promising.

JohnnyV13 · 10-30-2023, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kman34

Meanwhile FAU is fading away into the background… Maybe next year he will show something..

We would have said the same thing about Karlaftis after 8 games into last seasn. Seth Keysor says FAU has flashed the ability to string together pass rushing moves and has more natural "bend" than either Danna or Karlaftis. (I'll defer to Keysor on this, b/c he watches a lot more video than I do).

However, with both Danna and Karlaftis playing pretty effectively, its harder for FAU to get onto the field. Thus, you'd expect his development to be slower.

**BossChief** · 10-30-2023, 12:42 PM

With Omenihu back, his pressures are converting to sacks like I thought they would. He’s getting doubled nearly every play and still making plays consistently,

I missed on my eval of Skyy badly, but my eval of GK56 was spot on to the people saying he has a low ceiling but high floor when he was actually high ceiling/high floor.

George and Skyy are both very inexperienced, but George is starting to show bend and is using his hands extremely effectively. He’s playing at a pro bowl level.

**BossChief** · 10-30-2023, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I think it was BossChief who was comparing him to TJ Watt

He only had 7 sacks this first year. Now an absolute monster.

I think I said his ceiling was JJ X .85

**Bowser** · 10-30-2023, 12:44 PM

It's Danna that's keeping FAU off the field right now. This is the best Danna has looked since he's been here, and it's a great problem to have.

JohnnyV13 · 10-30-2023, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

With Omenihu back, his pressures are converting to sacks like I thought they would. He’s getting doubled nearly every play and still making plays consistently,

I missed on my eval of Skyy badly, but my eval of GK56 was spot on to the people saying he has a low ceiling but high floor when he was actually high ceiling/high floor.

George and Skyy are both very inexperienced, but George is starting to show bend and is using his hands extremely effectively. He’s playing at a pro bowl level.

It isn't so much a natural "bend" that you're seeing. For example, Tamba never really had that. What you're seeing is a strong guy with decent leverage who knows how to use hand-fighting to gain a leverage advantage and weaken the outside half of the offensive tackle's set. So, Karlaftis is smashing the OT's leverage and blowing past him to the outside. "Bend" is beating the tackle to the edge, pushing upfield, then having the agility to corner and get to the QB rather than getting pushed harmlessly past as the QB steps up.

(P.S. I don't pretend to be any kind of "expert" at the DE position. It's just hat I did Judo for many years at a fairly high competitive level. The hand-fighting techniques that Tamba has passed on to Karlaftis is something I immediately recognized when Tamba unveiled them. Tamba picked them up from BJJ (Brazilian ju-jitsu), but it's pretty much the same sport as Judo. BJJ (despite the name) is actually derived from Judo instead of main-line Ju-jitsu).

The weird thing is, hand-fighting is usually more emphasized in Judo than BJJ. The reason Tamba got it from BJJ is that BJJ is now the much more popular sport due to it's use in MMA. The funny thing is, BJJ hand-fighting techniques are mostly useless in MMA b/c there's no gi (the upper part of a martial arts outfit). And, they're more prominent in Judo than BJJ b/c Judo is geared toward standing techniques and BJJ is about ground-fighting.

Kiimo · 10-30-2023, 01:21 PM

Outside of Hutchinson George looks like the best DE/DL in the draft.

Hutch and George are both beasts.

lol Jacksonville how is Travon Walker experience going

edit: haha someone beat me

493rd · 10-30-2023, 01:23 PM

He’s getting better every week and I love his motor. Wish he could give CJ some of the fuel he’s consuming.

RunKC · 11-01-2023, 03:55 PM

Tied for 13th in the league in sacks, 6th amongst DE's

George Karlaftis: 39 total pressures this season

t-7th in the NFL

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— PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) October 31, 2023

DJ's left nut · 11-01-2023, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kman34

Meanwhile FAU is fading away into the background… Maybe next year he will show something..

I wonder if he's not showing out against the run or if he's not maintaining gap discipline.

Because he shows burst and fluidity; even chains moves together. I really thought he'd show better progress this season than Karlaftis did last season.

Clearly I mis-fired on that one.

**RealSNR** · 11-01-2023, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimo

Outside of Hutchinson George looks like the best DE/DL in the draft.

Hutch and George are both beasts.

lol Jacksonville how is Travon Walker experience going

edit: haha someone beat me

Remember when Veach ****ed up for passing on Jermaine Johnson?

People really need to stop letting Mel Kiper do their draft thinking for them.

JPH83 · 11-01-2023, 04:07 PM

Definitely seen a step forward. I still think his ceiling is something like Trey Hendricksen, and would be perfectly happy with that.

raybec 4 · 11-01-2023, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I wonder if he's not showing out against the run or if he's not maintaining gap discipline.

Because he shows burst and fluidity; even chains moves together. I really thought he'd show better progress this season than Karlaftis did last season.

Clearly I mis-fired on that one.

George got about 70% of the snaps last year out of complete necessity. Felix has been behind better guys than GK was, he'll get better as he gets more reps I think.

Kiimo · 11-01-2023, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Remember when Veach ****ed up for passing on Jermaine Johnson?

People really need to stop letting Mel Kiper do their draft thinking for them.

yeah for real.

I guess Kayvon Thibodeaux has been okay but Karlaftis is by far the biggest steal among first round DE

smithandrew051 · 11-01-2023, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4

George got about 70% of the snaps last year out of complete necessity. Felix has been behind better guys than GK was, he'll get better as he gets more reps I think.

I was going to post the same thing.

Karlaftis was somewhat quiet through the first half of last season (at least in sacks). He was on the field much more because he didn’t have the same quality ahead of him.

I think there’s a real conversation to be had about Mike Danna though. He’s looking very legit. Do we maybe bring him back on a reasonable deal and let Jones walk (or tag/trade)?

Danna, Karlaftis, Omenihu, and potentially FAU still give us 4 nasty pass rushers next year. I’m sure we’ll draft a couple bodies on the DL too.

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