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Old 11-20-2023, 10:23 PM  
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We were not the better team.
Before you try convincing yourself we are, just stop. There was nothing surprising or unusual in how this game went. It’s the same all season. We have by far the worst position group of any on the field at a critical spot. As good as our defense is, the offense, and receivers specifically crush any advantages we could have. Most games we are still the better team despite the receiver issues, but against the top contenders, at this moment, we are not.
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Old 11-20-2023, 10:29 PM   #16
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We had the worse receiving core...otherwise we were the better team ...maybe not punter....
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Old 11-20-2023, 10:30 PM   #17
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Before you try convincing yourself we are, just stop. There was nothing surprising or unusual in how this game went. It’s the same all season. We have by far the worst position group of any on the field at a critical spot. As good as our defense is, the offense, and receivers specifically crush any advantages we could have. Most games we are still the better team despite the receiver issues, but against the top contenders, at this moment, we are not.
Give me a “C” group of receivers and we win by 10 ore more
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Old 11-20-2023, 10:31 PM   #19
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Old 11-20-2023, 10:32 PM   #20
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Tom Brady won 7 Super Bowls with rag tag groups of WRs. We have a good team. It has to be better than tonight but the pieces are there.
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Old 11-20-2023, 10:32 PM   #21
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but honestly, we were the better team.

The 2 turnovers in the red zone and all of the drops. We pretty much outplayed them and should have won, it's one of those game where they don't make a couple of mistakes and they win instead.
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Old 11-20-2023, 10:34 PM   #22
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I get the post game frustration, but a different pass by Mahomes in the EZ and Kelce not fumbling and we win going away, despite the death by 1000 drops and the unbalanced referees. Or MVS does his most basic job. It was a game where every thing went wrong and we lost by 4 against the team with the best record in the NFL. We beat them in the trenches on both sides of the ball.

I get all that. But none of these mistakes were surprising. That’s the point. Kelce fumble a bit surprising for who he is, but a red zone fumble this season is all too common. Mahomes INT too common. The way we ran and played defense we “should” have won but we didn’t because the issues we’ve had all season were once again abundant.

But of course the glaring receiver issues stand out and rightfully so. We can’t just hand wave those away though as they aren’t going to change this season and say “if they just played better…” it’s a huge part of our team given we are a passing team.
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Old 11-20-2023, 10:38 PM   #23
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Huh? I came out of that game completely opposite of that. If we have ONE NFL #2 or #1 WR we win this game going away. Like not even close. Many of us have been saying this all year and before the year. Why does nobody get it?

This is probably true. Doesn’t mean we were the better team tonight. The WR hole was so glaring that you can’t just pretend it’s not there when assessing who is better. We were better coached, better prepared, better QB, etc but against a team that is also pretty good the WR issues prevent us from being the better team when we don’t otherwise play perfect, and mostly play identical to who we’ve been for a while.
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Old 11-20-2023, 10:43 PM   #24
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I get all that. But none of these mistakes were surprising. That’s the point. Kelce fumble a bit surprising for who he is, but a red zone fumble this season is all too common. Mahomes INT too common. The way we ran and played defense we “should” have won but we didn’t because the issues we’ve had all season were once again abundant.

But of course the glaring receiver issues stand out and rightfully so. We can’t just hand wave those away though as they aren’t going to change this season and say “if they just played better…” it’s a huge part of our team given we are a passing team.
Most games don't have 2 red zone turnovers and 5+ drops in the same game. Yes, that combination of mistakes is surprising. It took all of those things happening in a single game for us to lose.
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Old 11-20-2023, 10:43 PM   #25
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Despite the drops, a fairly officiated game and we win by double digits. Eagles held and committed DPI all game with no consequences. The NFL was not going to allow us to win that game no matter what. Move on and hope we have TayTay in attendance for the post season.
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but honestly, we were the better team.

The 2 turnovers in the red zone and all of the drops. We pretty much outplayed them and should have won, it's one of those game where they don't make a couple of mistakes and they win instead.
If you lose the turnover battle, drop a 100 passes, and commit many penalties, how are you the better team?

That's like saying the Eagles were the better team last year because they were leading at halftime.
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Old 11-20-2023, 10:50 PM   #28
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I don't think there are any really good, let alone great, teams in the NFL. OL play is poor almost across the board as a result of years of spread offenses teaching finesse blocking techniques. Teams don't practice in full pads much due to safety concerns, and offseason and training camps have been pared down. As a result, execution of the basic fundamentals of the game is lacking.

However, because the league is now a bowl of mediocrity, there isn't a lot standing in the Chiefs' way. Yes, if they play like shit at the skill positions and have two turnovers in the red zone, they'll lose. So would anyone else.

It's not like they're facing a murderers' row. I mean, that coverage scheme Philly ran on 4th down was fireable, and they're 9-1. I wouldn't freak out much, because in parlance, even if you aren't what you were, if everyone else is blah you can still go a long way.
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Tom Brady won 7 Super Bowls with rag tag groups of WRs. We have a good team. It has to be better than tonight but the pieces are there.
I mean, his Tampa WRs were near elite, and Edelman and Gronk were great, but your point is a good one.
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I mean, his Tampa WRs were near elite, and Edelman and Gronk were great, but your point is a good one.
We have Kelce. He is every bit as great as either of those guys. We don't have an Edelman, JuJu was probably the closest thing but I don't believe for a second that our guys are less talented than guys like Chris Hogan. We have multiple 1st/2nd round talents out there and they just aren't getting the job done.
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