Chris Jones and his 15+ sacks

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Just another guy who's playing a lot closer to his 2021 level than his 2022 level.

That's not to say he's been bad - he just hasn't been elite.

2022 makes a fair bit of sense as we move beyond it a little bit. We kept asking "Man, how did the Chiefs win a SB in a rebuilding year?"

Well - they got career seasons from their 3 best players at the same time. All of those guys played at pretty much the highest level they're capable of playing for an entire season. When you have 3 guys playing at a 1st ballot HoF level for a season, that's gonna do a LOT of heavy lifting for you.

In the process it may have papered over some roster flaws that we'll need to address this off-season.

Yup. Jones went into this offseason gambling that 2022 was his norm and it was an outlier.

He is still really good but he isn't $30MM good, debatable he is $25MM good, and he isn't going to improve at this point in his career.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Yup. Jones went into this offseason gambling that 2022 was his norm and it was an outlier.

He is still really good but he isn't $30MM good, debatable he is $25MM good, and he isn't going to improve at this point in his career.

I'd say it's debatable that he's $20MM good.

I don't see any way to get to $25 million.

Is he presently a top 10 interior lineman? It's tighter than you might think, IMO.

He's a hell of a lot closer to Hargrave than he is Williams at this point, IMO. And he'll be the same age Hargrave was when he signed for 4/$84 million (which is realistically 2/$41 million).

And honestly, I still don't think I'd give him Hargrave's deal. It's just time to move on. Change your approach to focus on depth across the line and pass rush from your edges. Omenihu can provide some 3rd down interior pressure if he kicks inside.

[MIAdragon]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'd say it's debatable that he's $20MM good.

I don't see any way to get to $25 million.

Is he presently a top 10 interior lineman? It's tighter than you might think, IMO.

He's a hell of a lot closer to Hargrave than he is Williams at this point, IMO. And he'll be the same age Hargrave was when he signed for 4/$84 million (which is realistically 2/$41 million).

And honestly, I still don't think I'd give him Hargrave's deal. It's just time to move on. Change your approach to focus on depth across the line and pass rush from your edges. Omenihu can provide some 3rd down interior pressure if he kicks inside.

Someone is going to overpay, hopefully not us.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Someone is going to overpay, hopefully not us.

I see no way KC overpays for him. If they were going to it would have been after last season when he had one of the best if not best season of his career. KC won’t suddenly overpay him when he’s approaching 30 and not playing at a $30 million a year level.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'd say it's debatable that he's $20MM good.

I don't see any way to get to $25 million.

Is he presently a top 10 interior lineman? It's tighter than you might think, IMO.

He's a hell of a lot closer to Hargrave than he is Williams at this point, IMO. And he'll be the same age Hargrave was when he signed for 4/$84 million (which is realistically 2/$41 million).

And honestly, I still don't think I'd give him Hargrave's deal. It's just time to move on. Change your approach to focus on depth across the line and pass rush from your edges. Omenihu can provide some 3rd down interior pressure if he kicks inside.

Hell...bring back Danna if he ends up not getting a decent offer from someone else.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Hell...bring back Danna if he ends up not getting a decent offer from someone else.

He looked for a bit like he might play himself into a middle-class starter's contract.

Now but he plateaued pretty quickly. Looks like he's just gonna have a 10 year career as a good rotational piece. That has some value, but I don't know how much.

He'll be an interesting piece on the market. I think our hope should be that he just slips through the cracks and comes back on the VSB.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'd say it's debatable that he's $20MM good.

I don't see any way to get to $25 million.

Is he presently a top 10 interior lineman? It's tighter than you might think, IMO.

He's a hell of a lot closer to Hargrave than he is Williams at this point, IMO. And he'll be the same age Hargrave was when he signed for 4/$84 million (which is realistically 2/$41 million).

And honestly, I still don't think I'd give him Hargrave's deal. It's just time to move on. Change your approach to focus on depth across the line and pass rush from your edges. Omenihu can provide some 3rd down interior pressure if he kicks inside.

Jones has always been what he is, a good player with good seasons who has an occasional elite season. Unfortunately there is no way of knowing which you will get. He wants to be paid for his occasional elite seasons while it looks like Veach wants to pay him for his good seasons.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Jones has always been what he is, a good player with good seasons who has an occasional elite season. Unfortunately there is no way of knowing which you will get. He wants to be paid for his occasional elite seasons while it looks like Veach wants to pay him for his good seasons.

If you don't get an elite season in a contract year, how many elite seasons do you think you will get when he he is 30+ and has a large guaranteed contract?

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Jones has always been what he is, a good player with good seasons who has an occasional elite season. Unfortunately there is no way of knowing which you will get. He wants to be paid for his occasional elite seasons while it looks like Veach wants to pay him for his good seasons.

He's been an elite player that puts up elite seasons. If not for Aaron Donald being in the league the same time as him and being one of the best defensive players of all time, then Jones would be the best DT pretty much every year of his career. Even with Aaron Donald being around Jones should have 3 1st Team APs.