Offsides reality

[tredadda]

Looking at the offsides on Toney and the “Let them play” mentality a few things stick out.

1. He was offsides and like it or not, that is inexcusable on his part. Toney should never line up offsides…….ever. That’s a Pee Wee league type of mistake. He didn’t just start playing football this year. Pre snap penalties are the worst because they are completely preventable. He should have never left it up to a ref to decide one way or another, especially with the quality of reffing league wide lately.

2. I get the “Let them play” mindset and not letting a questionable call impact a game. But it can’t be “Let them play” when convenient and when not calls should be made. Look at the SB when KC benefited from a penalty that essentially sealed the game. Had the refs swallowed the whistle like what was wanted today KC might well have lost the SB. We benefited from that penalty. But today we want to yell at the clouds because it was called. Both times the penalty was called, just this time it went against KC.

3. Even after the penalty they still had time to pick up the yards and score a TD and is systemic of how the offense has played for large portions of the year. This team has a championship caliber defense, but the offense is not what we all expect. That might mean an early exit this year. Simply put if the offense hasn’t figured it out by now I question whether they will.

It is what it is.

[Red Dawg]

When the Chiefs commit a penalty, I expect the refs to not throw a flag. When the other team commits a penalty, I expect the refs to throw a flag. That's where I'm at.

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by Ming the Merciless

offensive offsides is never called

I literally can't remember the last time I've seen this called

if its something that's never called , it's just frustrating that they call it at that moment.

It probably happens a lot so them choosing to call it right then seems lame

then to top it off, they didn't call the defensive offsides right after

Yes! This is the majority of Andy and Patrick’s ire. And they expressed it as such.

[Rainbarrel]

Buffalo gets a parade tomorrow, let them have their reprieve from Josh's mediocre playoff record

[Hammock Parties]

Mahomes is right. It shouldn't have been offsides.

It should have been offsides AND illegal formation https://t.co/nIReATWo92 pic.twitter.com/NCEEavlqY8

— Low Ceilings l Cover 1 �� (@LowBuffa) December 11, 2023

[stevieray]

It was a gifted series. If Buffalo simply runs the ball on their last set of downs, they eat up the clock and its game over.

They had three chances last week to seal the game, and failed.

Their second half play is atrocious and are wasting the best defense we've seen in years.

This all looks eerily familiar, and that's not a good sign.

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by Ming the Merciless

offensive offsides is never called

I literally can't remember the last time I've seen this called

if its something that's never called , it's just frustrating that they call it at that moment.

It probably happens a lot so them choosing to call it right then seems lame

then to top it off, they didn't call the defensive offsides right after

As I just referenced on @gmfb (per researcher Rich Goldberg), the last time the @Chiefs have been called for an offensive offsides was 1995.

Jeff Criswell was called for offensive offsides in 1995 Week 7 against the Patriots.

— Peter Schrager (@PSchrags) December 11, 2023

[Calcountry]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

AI has a future in a football league that wants officials to be better.

Can I program the algorithm? The Chiefs would do very well in that situation

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by tyreekthefreak

Creed "always" moves ball back from line of scrimmage pre snap. No idea why.

All centers do it, tbh.

They’ve got to snap the ball and get their hands up to block. The less distance that ball has to travel to be snapped, the sooner they can get their hands up and on a defender.

[stumppy]

**** you KaPOSdarius Toney. That mofo needs to get thrown off of this team. And I mean actually thrown out the door.

[Calcountry]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Again, watch the entire play. Toney was absolutely mugged at 10 yard by two Bills, after Watson was called the series before. Should have been illegal contact and offsetting as well. These calls were made or it ignored by the same two officials who didn't call Von Miller offside and the one who called illegal contact on Watson. Just be ****ing consistent.

The envelopes will be showing up in the dropbox

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

As I just referenced on @gmfb (per researcher Rich Goldberg), the last time the @Chiefs have been called for an offensive offsides was 1995.

Jeff Criswell was called for offensive offsides in 1995 Week 7 against the Patriots.

— Peter Schrager (@PSchrags) December 11, 2023

There are three inter-related beefs with the call.

1. It's customary for the officials to correct alignment, but they did not do it in this critical situation.

2. Even knowing they didn't do it, they threw the flag and called back a key play for a foul that didn't affect the play.

3. It's so rare a penalty that it's the first one for an Andy Reid team ever, and the first one for the Chiefs in almost 30 years.


The penalty is Toney's fault. He's guilty. He's got to not be stupid and line up properly.

But the beefs are, "Is this really the way we want the game officiated?"

Players rely on the officials to correct alignment but then penalties get called when the officials don't do it.

Officials say they want players to determine the outcome, but they determined the outcome here over a very minor infraction that didn't affect the play.

But the penalty is Toney's fault. His empty headed screwups have cost us at least 2 games.

[Calcountry]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Every ****ing professional sports team, EVER, has had to deal with refball. You know how you mitigate it? By playing fundamentally sound and disciplined ball and taking it out of their hands as much as possible. Having your WR line up completely offsides while your RT is lined up improperly, AGAIN, is the exact opposite.

I remember getting called repeatedly for ticky-tacky things in a flag football game. Then the middle linebacker beat me so when the play turned up field at the sideline, I clipped him square in the middle of his back and sent him squirreling out of bounds pure cheap shot. Thinking I might as well get my moneys worth since they’re going to tick tack all game. Guess what? I didn’t get called for that one.

[DJJasonp]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

There are three inter-related beefs with the call.

1. It's customary for the officials to correct alignment, but they did not do it in this critical situation.

2. Even knowing they didn't do it, they threw the flag and called back a key play for a foul that didn't affect the play.

3. It's so rare a penalty that it's the first one for an Andy Reid team ever, and the first one for the Chiefs in almost 30 years.


The penalty is Toney's fault. He's guilty. He's got to not be stupid and line up properly.

But the beefs are, "Is this really the way we want the game officiated?"

Players rely on the officials to correct alignment but then penalties get called when the officials don't do it.

Officials say they want players to determine the outcome, but they determined the outcome here over a very minor infraction that didn't affect the play.

But the penalty is Toney's fault. His empty headed screwups have cost us at least 2 games.

fair assessment.

Kind of like.......do we really want to call a cheap pass interference in the endzone on a last-second hail mary?

[ToxSocks]

****ed by Cheffers again. Everyone knew it was going to happen too. You may not have known how. But if we're being honest with ourselves, we all knew that a whacky Cheffers penalty would largely affect the outcome of this game. Again.

[DJJasonp]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

****ed by Cheffers again. Everyone knew it was going to happen too. You may not have known how. But if we're being honest with ourselves, we all knew that a whacky Cheffers penalty would largely affect the outcome of this game. Again.

yep. and contrary to popular narrative, it's not because he sucks at his job......it's because he's actually very good at it.