Offsides reality

[tredadda]

Looking at the offsides on Toney and the “Let them play” mentality a few things stick out.

1. He was offsides and like it or not, that is inexcusable on his part. Toney should never line up offsides…….ever. That’s a Pee Wee league type of mistake. He didn’t just start playing football this year. Pre snap penalties are the worst because they are completely preventable. He should have never left it up to a ref to decide one way or another, especially with the quality of reffing league wide lately.

2. I get the “Let them play” mindset and not letting a questionable call impact a game. But it can’t be “Let them play” when convenient and when not calls should be made. Look at the SB when KC benefited from a penalty that essentially sealed the game. Had the refs swallowed the whistle like what was wanted today KC might well have lost the SB. We benefited from that penalty. But today we want to yell at the clouds because it was called. Both times the penalty was called, just this time it went against KC.

3. Even after the penalty they still had time to pick up the yards and score a TD and is systemic of how the offense has played for large portions of the year. This team has a championship caliber defense, but the offense is not what we all expect. That might mean an early exit this year. Simply put if the offense hasn’t figured it out by now I question whether they will.

It is what it is.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by wachashi

No one here can honestly believe that out of the 25,172 offensive snaps of Reid's career, this is the first time one of his players has lined up offsides on offense. That's ludicrous.

Out of 25,000+ offensive snaps with Andy Reid as a HC, this is the most embarrassingly undisciplined and untalented WR group he's put on the field.

And that's quite a statement considering the dog shit WR groups he had in his early Philly and early KC years.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by wachashi

No one here can honestly believe that out of the 25,172 offensive snaps of Reid's career, this is the first time one of his players has lined up offsides on offense. That's ludicrous.

Can you remember another instance of a player on offense lined up that far offside?

[louie aguiar]

FWIW it appears KT did not check with the line judge

All 22 angle of the Kelce lateral/Toney offside play. Doesn't appear Toney once checks with the sideline judge on his side from this.

Also amazing job still from Kelce finding him in space. pic.twitter.com/UyiVABuBSp

— Shaun Newkirk (@Shauncore) December 11, 2023

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

Can you remember another instance of a player on offense lined up that far offside?

I also read that it has been called 11 times this season.

[wachashi]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

If there were zero advantage to lining up on the opposite side of the ball, it wouldn't be ****ing illegal to do so.

Good grief, guys.

Yeah "players can line however they want" is not the argument that I'm making, so I'm not sure why you quoted me.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by louie aguiar

FWIW it appears KT did not check with the line judge

All 22 angle of the Kelce lateral/Toney offside play. Doesn't appear Toney once checks with the sideline judge on his side from this.

Also amazing job still from Kelce finding him in space. pic.twitter.com/UyiVABuBSp

— Shaun Newkirk (@Shauncore) December 11, 2023

That play was a thing of beauty. What a tragedy

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by wachashi

Yeah "players can line however they want" is not the argument that I'm making, so I'm not sure why you quoted me.

Well then you're doing a piss-poor job of making whatever your argument is, because you flat out say that Toney lining up a full yard ahead of where he should be isn't an advantage.

Which is nonsense.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Look at Taylor. They could've easily called him for illegal formation as well. I do not understand why these mistakes are being repeated on a weekly basis but the entire offensive coaching staff needs to get their collective shit together and get this ****ery under control instead of whining about the refs being mean.

Both Toney and Taylor need to be gone now, if we bench them maybe the NFL might quit picking on us.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by SupDock

I also read that it has been called 11 times this season.

Yeah, it's a point of emphasis this year, but I don't remember ever seeing an offensive player lined up beyond the fooball. He's not even lined up in the neutral zone, his (empty) head is lined up on the defensive side of the ball.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Out of 25,000+ offensive snaps with Andy Reid as a HC, this is the most embarrassingly undisciplined and untalented WR group he's put on the field.

And that's quite a statement considering the dog shit WR groups he had in his early Philly and early KC years.

You think this WR group is worse than the year without a WR TD group?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by tredadda

You think this WR group is worse than the year without a WR TD group?

They are just as bad.

That WR group could at least use the excuse that they had a QB who refused to look or throw downfield in Alex Smiff.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

Yeah, it's a point of emphasis this year, but I don't remember ever seeing an offensive player lined up beyond the fooball. He's not even lined up in the neutral zone, his (empty) head is lined up on the defensive side of the ball.

Bruh…. His whole body except his back leg is lined up past the ball

This photo removes all doubt. 19 was blatantly offside. pic.twitter.com/KD0R0Rvguy

— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) December 11, 2023

[YayMike]

Originally Posted by SupDock

That play was a thing of beauty. What a tragedy

And on the day that the Music City Miracle man passes....

Oh well. onto next week. If we don't absolutely slaughter the Patriots with all this rage and fury built up from this ...

[scho63]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Being 6” offside has literally no effect on the play which is why it is almost never called. The hold on Juju in the Super Bowl had an impact on what the play could be. It’s a stupid comparison. Toney also checked with the referee before the snap. KC was robbed of a TD by Cheffer’s crew. Not sure they win the game because Buffalo would have had a shot to go down and win it, but the call was bullshit.

Double check the new overhead picks released today - he was a good 2 feet offsides. Not even close.

[louie aguiar]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Both Toney and Taylor need to be gone now, if we bench them maybe the NFL might quit picking on us.

We’re stuck with Taylor for at least another year. That contract is looking pretty bad right now. It’s crazy to me that he’s still making the same mistakes this far into the season. Hindsight is 20/20 but we probably would have been better off re-upping with Wylie and using the $ saved in a receiver.