Offsides reality

[tredadda]

Looking at the offsides on Toney and the “Let them play” mentality a few things stick out.

1. He was offsides and like it or not, that is inexcusable on his part. Toney should never line up offsides…….ever. That’s a Pee Wee league type of mistake. He didn’t just start playing football this year. Pre snap penalties are the worst because they are completely preventable. He should have never left it up to a ref to decide one way or another, especially with the quality of reffing league wide lately.

2. I get the “Let them play” mindset and not letting a questionable call impact a game. But it can’t be “Let them play” when convenient and when not calls should be made. Look at the SB when KC benefited from a penalty that essentially sealed the game. Had the refs swallowed the whistle like what was wanted today KC might well have lost the SB. We benefited from that penalty. But today we want to yell at the clouds because it was called. Both times the penalty was called, just this time it went against KC.

3. Even after the penalty they still had time to pick up the yards and score a TD and is systemic of how the offense has played for large portions of the year. This team has a championship caliber defense, but the offense is not what we all expect. That might mean an early exit this year. Simply put if the offense hasn’t figured it out by now I question whether they will.

It is what it is.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Toney is a liability, yes he’s a good football player when he has the ball in his hands but the negatives outweigh the positive. You have to sit him next game. Continue to feed Jerry Rice Jr and Kelce and run Pacheco.

He should be benched for a game, at a minimum. These WRs have shown ZERO professionalism or accountability. MVS' comments prior to yesterday were symbolic of the lack of personal responsibility by these WRs.


There's just no excuse for lining up offsides for a WR. Hell, Toney was looking at the ball, and just for reference's sake, whoever was lined up on the other side of the OL was lined up properly; he could've taken the hint from that guy and adjusted accordingly.

If this were just this one instance, ordinarily I'd be much more forgiving, but the lack of discipline and professionalism has been an issue since last season with Toney, and frankly with Skyy as well. A message should be sent to these guys in the form of a benching, and better now while there's still a chance it'll hit home and force a change in their habits and execution.

[room152]

Originally Posted by KCJake

Even if it was ruled a fumble there was a clear recovery by Kelce. But I get what you're saying. If the team could play just a little better, they wouldn't be in these super tight games. Damn this one hurts real bad. What a great play by Kelce with that lateral.

I actually thought Buffalo recovered it. That's why KC challenged the play. It was clearly coming out before he was down. If Kelce had a clear recovery why on earth would they need to challenge?

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by louie aguiar

FWIW it appears KT did not check with the line judge

All 22 angle of the Kelce lateral/Toney offside play. Doesn't appear Toney once checks with the sideline judge on his side from this.

Also amazing job still from Kelce finding him in space. pic.twitter.com/UyiVABuBSp

— Shaun Newkirk (@Shauncore) December 11, 2023

Can you post the endzone view? Toney is absolutely mauled 10 yards downfield and it should have been offsetting penalties. The endzone view really shows the contact and Toney is upset it wasn't called as he's gesturing to the refs before Kelce laterals the ball.

[room152]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

Can you remember another instance of a player on offense lined up that far offside?

no not even close

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by room152

no not even close

[mabbott]

This view shows from the direct side and he is not horribly offside.

The next picture shows the very next play of the bills being offsides... same side, same official, no call...

The third picture shows the same toney "offsides" where the bills are also offsides... why is only one offsides when both players are in the nuetral zone?

[Mephistopheles Janx]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

He should be benched for a game, at a minimum. These WRs have shown ZERO professionalism or accountability. MVS' comments prior to yesterday were symbolic of the lack of personal responsibility by these WRs.


There's just no excuse for lining up offsides for a WR. Hell, Toney was looking at the ball, and just for reference's sake, whoever was lined up on the other side of the OL was lined up properly; he could've taken the hint from that guy and adjusted accordingly.

If this were just this one instance, ordinarily I'd be much more forgiving, but the lack of discipline and professionalism has been an issue since last season with Toney, and frankly with Skyy as well. A message should be sent to these guys in the form of a benching, and better now while there's still a chance it'll hit home and force a change in their habits and execution.

What did MVS say? I must have missed it and I would love to add kindling to the roaring fire that is my hatreed for him.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by mabbott

This view shows from the direct side and he is not horribly offside.

The next picture shows the very next play of the bills being offsides... same side, same official, no call...

The third picture shows the same toney "offsides" where the bills are also offsides... why is only one offsides when both players are in the nuetral zone?

There is a crystal clear photo of Toney from the overhead angle that is posted in this thread. He was so clearly offsides that his head was past Von Millers head lol. Bench this fraud. Justyn Ross gets his snaps next game

[Mephistopheles Janx]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

If there were zero advantage to lining up on the opposite side of the ball, it wouldn't be ****ing illegal to do so.

Good grief, guys.

100%.

"Football is a game of inches". - Vince Lombardi Jr.

Him being 6 inches over the line matters.

[room152]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

What? His knee was obviously down... The sideline hit on Pat is called 90% of the time against any notable QB, and it can be argued it was helmet to helmet. The chick missed the forward progress call, but we would have spiked it and lost maybe 5 seconds... The bigger issue is the inconsistencies through out the game. Watch the All-22 from last week and this week and tell me the holding calls the Chiefs are getting are more blatant than the holding that wasn't call throughout most of the game on the Packers and Bills? The blatant Packers hands to the face on a huge 3rd and 4th down conversions that ended in scoring drives. Or look at Taylor's "false start" yesterday compared to 2 other times the Bills tackles were way earlier... It's not just questions at the end of the game that's upsetting, they need to just be consistent...

You had said the refs wanted the Bills to win the game and were cheating for said outcome. If that was true they never would have reversed Kelce's fumble that was called a fumble on the field. If they were truly cheating for Buffalo that never would have been overturned. It was a fumble.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Mephistopheles Janx

What did MVS say? I must have missed it and I would love to add kindling to the roaring fire that is my hatreed for him.

The original clip is posted somewhere in here, but I don't have time to run it down. This is an edited version of it, but you'll get the idea:

[philfree]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Toney’s head is literally lined up with Von Millers head lol. Toney is not a smart football player

So they were both offsides. Thet were watching us close so they could call something on us. They did and we lost.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by philfree

So they were both offsides. Thet were watching us close so they could call something on us. They did and we lost.

No… Miller was behind the ball. That’s how far offsides Toney was. The only part of Toney not behind the ball was his back foot. He was literally helmet to helmet with Von Miller who is behind the ball

[Molitoth]

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Toney never checked with the ref once….. even our police WR Rice on top of screen checks with the ref

Here's the All-22 film on the Kelce lateral/Toney offsides play. pic.twitter.com/62fThV5ZCN

— how bout those CHIEFS (@hbtCHIEFS) December 11, 2023