Off-season WR possibilities

[Reerun_KC]

Seeing a lot of teams with sub .500 records with WRs that need to get with Mahomes.

Who is available and who would you like to see us pursue to go with Rice and Watson.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by notorious

The Ravens have done jack shit in the post season.

Let's wait a bit before rating their drafts and talent.

No one is commenting on their postseason. But they do have the #1 seed which should be ours.

They also added weapons to their offense and we took away.

[Chief Roundup]

A part of the conversation that is not going on is the actual play concepts.
Kurt Warner and Jason Dunn have both commented publicly that the route concepts we have been running do not work together as they should and have in the past.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

That's just silly. How do you know there was no trade to be made? Your feelings? We know that Veach and Reid flat out said they didn't call anyone or inquire because they wanted to develop Skyy Moore!

We also know players like Jerry Jeudy were being shopped but that teams weren't offering what they wanted. Now I'm using that as an example but that's how it works. If you offer the right team not competing enough most will part with someone we could use.

We didn't try AND we didn't have the $$$ ready to do so.

That is not a good look to not be ready to improve your team when you employ a risky No WR build.

Now you say well we were great last year with Kelce and JuJu so that's the formula. If that is true, they didn't bother to replicate the formula as they took more $$$$ from the offense and used it on defensive depth with no #1 or #2 WR on the roster.

What makes more sense: The Chiefs could have made a reasonably priced trade for Jerry Jeudy or Terry McLaurin or Mike Evans or D.K. Metcalf or any other good WR we've seen thrown out as a candidate... or that those players were not available and/or not available at a reasonable price.

It's a logical assumption.

They tried to replicate that formula by throwing numbers at it and trusting that to work out. They tried. And it didn't work out.

Had Valdes-Scantling stayed where he was in 2022 and Rice still emerged this way, things would probably still have looked a lot more like last year. But Valdes-Scantling dropped back, Rice is talented but still a rookie, and Toney missed TC with an injury and then flaked out when he was healthy, and Moore didn't progress, and the nice depth backup plan they added (James) got hurt early and hasn't made an impact in his return.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

What makes more sense: The Chiefs could have made a reasonably priced trade for Jerry Jeudy or Terry McLaurin or Mike Evans or D.K. Metcalf or any other good WR we've seen thrown out as a candidate... or that those players were not available and/or not available at a reasonable price.

It's a logical assumption.

They tried to replicate that formula by throwing numbers at it and trusting that to work out. They tried. And it didn't work out.

Had Valdes-Scantling stayed where he was in 2022 and Rice still emerged this way, things would probably still have looked a lot more like last year. But Valdes-Scantling dropped back, Rice is talented but still a rookie, and Toney missed TC with an injury and then flaked out when he was healthy, and Moore didn't progress, and the nice depth backup plan they added (James) got hurt early and hasn't made an impact in his return.

If there's blame there it's probably that they didn't evaluate the quality of those players and/or the coaching all that effectively, perhaps. It's true the team would look a lot better if Moore progressed and/or MVS didn't regress, but that didn't happen. Someone, maybe a few people, miscalculated the quality and the ability to extract that quality from these players.

Veach got it wrong. I think he got the OT situation wrong. I think a decent wedge of money spent of the defense WOULD be better spent on the offense. But, I've no idea the extent to which he got it wrong because it's impossible to know all the variables. Who was available at what cost and when etc. There's definitely draft picks I'd swap but that's the same with every GM I guess, I certainly wasn't clamouring for defensive picks to be prioritised.The test is next year. This year the offense he's built is not good enough. Let's see how he fixes it.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Higgins and trade up for a WR in the first round. Let's make this offense great again.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

What makes more sense: The Chiefs could have made a reasonably priced trade for Jerry Jeudy or Terry McLaurin or Mike Evans or D.K. Metcalf or any other good WR we've seen thrown out as a candidate... or that those players were not available and/or not available at a reasonable price.

It's a logical assumption.

They tried to replicate that formula by throwing numbers at it and trusting that to work out. They tried. And it didn't work out.

Had Valdes-Scantling stayed where he was in 2022 and Rice still emerged this way, things would probably still have looked a lot more like last year. But Valdes-Scantling dropped back, Rice is talented but still a rookie, and Toney missed TC with an injury and then flaked out when he was healthy, and Moore didn't progress, and the nice depth backup plan they added (James) got hurt early and hasn't made an impact in his return.

I mean, there’s some truth to what Jerm is saying. We didn’t luck into a Super Bowl but we did kind of steal one. Last year was supposed to be a rebuild. It wasn’t just at WR, it was playing a bunch of DBs with no experience whatsoever. But spags coached the hell out of them, and it turns out that our determination to beat cincy got us into the right offensive scheme at the right time.

You can’t blame veach for doubling down on it. But we’re seeing the flaws in the long term strategy. And several of us were uneasy about skimping on offense to do it. We can’t just blame this on regression as if we have the right players but they just suck a little more. They regressed because defenses adjusted to us and now we have the wrong players and they don’t have enough talent to overcome defenses playing us better. This year we’re back to talent being way more important than scheme on offense.

Some try to use the “who could’ve seen this happen” statement as if we didn’t triple down on slots with serious limitations on the outside, as if we didn’t triple down on catch and run guys, let alone getting a little cute trying to prove we can moneyball our way through the next decade. All the while playing roulette with our coaching staff.

That’s ok. We bandaid this offense this year, which I still am hopeful we can.the good news is we learned a valuable lesson, even if it was the hard way. This team goes as the offense goes. That is always going to be our best path to success.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I mean, there’s some truth to what Jerm is saying. We didn’t luck into a Super Bowl but we did kind of steal one. Last year was supposed to be a rebuild. It wasn’t just at WR, it was playing a bunch of DBs with no experience whatsoever. But spags coached the hell out of them, and it turns out that our determination to beat cincy got us into the right offensive scheme at the right time.

You can’t blame veach for doubling down on it. But we’re seeing the flaws in the long term strategy. And several of us were uneasy about skimping on offense to do it. We can’t just blame this on regression as if we have the right players but they just suck a little more. They regressed because defenses adjusted to us and now we have the wrong players and they don’t have enough talent to overcome defenses playing us better. This year we’re back to talent being way more important than scheme on offense.

Some try to use the “who could’ve seen this happen” statement as if we didn’t triple down on slots with serious limitations on the outside, as if we didn’t triple down on catch and run guys, let alone getting a little cute trying to prove we can moneyball our way through the next decade. All the while playing roulette with our coaching staff.

That’s ok. We bandaid this offense this year, which I still am hopeful we can.the good news is we learned a valuable lesson, even if it was the hard way. This team goes as the offense goes. That is always going to be our best path to success.

Pretty much agree with all of this. Assumptions and moves were made, and they weren't wholely unreasonable. They've not worked and they shouldn't form the sort of approach we adopt in future. Offense first, cobble together the defense and let those coaches squeeze out an average and CHEAP D. Suspect we pivot this way in the offseason. If we don't, then yeah, I'm gonna be pi$$ed.

As for the coaching deficiencies. I think they're there in terms I've mentioned above. I feel less confident they're rectified aside from Reid adapting. The rest will stay and be subpar, but with the right talent it won't matter.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by JPH83

Pretty much agree with all of this. Assumptions and moves were made, and they weren't wholely unreasonable. They've not worked and they shouldn't form the sort of approach we adopt in future. Offense first, cobble together the defense and let those coaches squeeze out an average and CHEAP D. Suspect we pivot this way in the offseason. If we don't, then yeah, I'm gonna be pi$$ed.

As for the coaching deficiencies. I think they're there in terms I've mentioned above. I feel less confident they're rectified aside from Reid adapting. The rest will stay and be subpar, but with the right talent it won't matter.

I still think we can pump out good defenses. I’ve always been reluctant to try to make it elite if As I’ve said once you turn on the faucet you can’t turn it off. You have to pump a lot of picks and $ to keep it at that level. And we need to make damn sure our offense is set, then build the best possible defense from there

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by JPH83

If there's blame there it's probably that they didn't evaluate the quality of those players and/or the coaching all that effectively, perhaps. It's true the team would look a lot better if Moore progressed and/or MVS didn't regress, but that didn't happen. Someone, maybe a few people, miscalculated the quality and the ability to extract that quality from these players.

Veach got it wrong. I think he got the OT situation wrong. I think a decent wedge of money spent of the defense WOULD be better spent on the offense. But, I've no idea the extent to which he got it wrong because it's impossible to know all the variables. Who was available at what cost and when etc. There's definitely draft picks I'd swap but that's the same with every GM I guess, I certainly wasn't clamouring for defensive picks to be prioritised.The test is next year. This year the offense he's built is not good enough. Let's see how he fixes it.

That’s all fair. The plan failed. It failed because a lot of things went wrong. They need to approach things differently this off-season, and I think they will.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15

Higgins and trade up for a WR in the first round. Let's make this offense great again.

People need to stop with Higgins and Aiyuk AND using a first-round pick.

If you have one of those two players, you are not going to have a pick in the first.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

That’s all fair. The plan failed. It failed because a lot of things went wrong. They need to approach things differently this off-season, and I think they will.

100%

[O.city]

Aiyuk and a mid tier vet addition and we’re good

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

What makes more sense: The Chiefs could have made a reasonably priced trade for Jerry Jeudy or Terry McLaurin or Mike Evans or D.K. Metcalf or any other good WR we've seen thrown out as a candidate... or that those players were not available and/or not available at a reasonable price.

It's a logical assumption.

They tried to replicate that formula by throwing numbers at it and trusting that to work out. They tried. And it didn't work out.

Had Valdes-Scantling stayed where he was in 2022 and Rice still emerged this way, things would probably still have looked a lot more like last year. But Valdes-Scantling dropped back, Rice is talented but still a rookie, and Toney missed TC with an injury and then flaked out when he was healthy, and Moore didn't progress, and the nice depth backup plan they added (James) got hurt early and hasn't made an impact in his return.

I am not saying it's easy. But Veach/Reid chose the path of trading away their #1 HOF WR and so it is on them to figure it out. Just saying everything isn't a reasonable price looks like a bad idea when there are no veteran WR's on the team our QB trusts.

Giving massive playing time to guys like Skyy Moore, Justin Watson, Toney, and MVS in a Mahomes prime year and one of the last years of Travis Kelce is gross negligence and roster mismanagement.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I am not saying it's easy. But Veach/Reid chose the path of trading away their #1 HOF WR and so it is on them to figure it out. Just saying everything isn't a reasonable price looks like a bad idea when there are no veteran WR's on the team our QB trusts.

Giving massive playing time to guys like Skyy Moore, Justin Watson, Toney, and MVS in a Mahomes prime year and one of the last years of Travis Kelce is gross negligence and roster mismanagement.

Good thing we won a SB last year and 2 in the last 5 years you cry baby bitch.

[ChiefsCountry]

2019 second round pick
2021 first round pick
2022 second round pick
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Free agent
Free agent

That's what is in the wide receiver room. To say they haven't prioritize the position especially with draft capital is just being a jackass. Their plan failed but to say they haven't done anything especially in the draft is just being a jackass.