Football Off-season WR possibilities - Page 22

Reerun_KC · 12-24-2023, 03:27 PM

Seeing a lot of teams with sub .500 records with WRs that need to get with Mahomes.

Who is available and who would you like to see us pursue to go with Rice and Watson.

MahomesMagic · 12-29-2023, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

2019 second round pick
2021 first round pick
2022 second round pick
2023 second round pick
Free agent
Free agent

That's what is in the wide receiver room. To say they haven't prioritize the position is just being a jackass. Their plan failed but to say they haven't done anything especially in the draft is just being a jackass.

Skyy Moore being a 2nd round pick has nothing to do with his VALUE going into this year. It should have been almost zero.

Same with Toney who was always injured and who they never put on the field much.

ChiefsCountry · 12-29-2023, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Skyy Moore being a 2nd round pick has nothing to do with his VALUE going into this year. It should have been almost zero.

Same with Toney who was always injured and who they never put on the field much.

A second year player couldn't improve in his second year?

MahomesMagic · 12-29-2023, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

A second year player couldn't improve in his second year?

Improve to what? He showed nothing in his first year and had ZERO NFL + traits.

Just because you waste a draft pick on him doesn't mean you have to play him.

Green Bay drafted Amari Rogers in the 3rd recently and he also looked like Skyy year 1. Then they went into camp year 2 and cut him.

JPH83 · 12-29-2023, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

That’s all fair. The plan failed. It failed because a lot of things went wrong. They need to approach things differently this off-season, and I think they will.

Yep, that's my assumption. Could be a 2 year project to really reload but I reckon there's a lot that can and will be done next year. Pretty optimistic.

Couch-Potato · 12-29-2023, 12:50 PM

Chiefs amongst ESPN's most frustrating teams:

Spoiler!

7. Kansas City Chiefs
The problem: Their wide receivers can't catch or get open.

I laid out the staggering numbers for the Chiefs' offense and their drop rates a couple of weeks ago. Things haven't gotten much better since. Even without Kadarius Toney and Skyy Moore last week, Kansas City's wideouts have dropped 7.5% of Patrick Mahomes' passes this season. No other group of wide receivers is above 5%, and no team's wideouts have been worse at catching passes in a single season over the past decade.

In addition to having drop issues, the Chiefs simply don't have enough speed and athleticism at receiver. Toney was supposed to be the difference-maker, but he hasn't played even half the offensive snaps in a game all season. Moore, a second-round pick in 2022, has disappointed. Marquez Valdes-Scantling isn't threatening opposing defenses. Justin Watson is a big body, and rookie Rashee Rice has emerged as the team's top wide receiver, but the Chiefs don't have any receivers who scare opposing defenses, which is why the Raiders had no fear of playing tight coverage and breaking on short routes during their upset victory Monday.

There is no vertical component to this passing attack. Mahomes' average pass has traveled 6.3 yards in the air this season, the shortest mark for any starting quarterback. Only Russell Wilson throws at or behind the line of scrimmage more often. And when Mahomes has thrown deep this season, he has gone 15-of-57 for 489 yards with a touchdown and five picks. His 43.6 QBR on deep passes ranks 28th out of 30 passers; only Bryce Young and Mac Jones have been worse.

While the mood was tempered for a while in Kansas City by virtue of their Super Bowl success and the benefit of the doubt Mahomes and coach Andy Reid had earned by figuring things out in years past, it's clear the patience of Chiefs fans has waned. Mahomes & Co. were booed at times in the loss to the Raiders, when Vegas scored defensive touchdowns on consecutive plays. A year ago, the fix for the offense was more Jerick McKinnon in the passing game, upping the two- and three-tight-end set usage and using Isiah Pacheco more often to punish defenses. Now, McKinnon is on injured reserve and Pacheco missed two games before being forced out of last week's loss because of a concussion.

The cavalry might not be showing up, and that's particularly disappointing because it's happening in a season in which the Chiefs have a championship-caliber defense. Cornerback L'Jarius Sneed and defensive tackle Chris Jones are free agents after the season. Trading Tyreek Hill was controversial, but it helped the franchise win a championship a year ago. Trading Hill without a proven replacement at wide receiver didn't stop the Chiefs in 2022, but it seems to be haunting them and capping their ceiling now.

Couch-Potato · 12-29-2023, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Top Trade Candidates
-Adams
-Cooper
-Ayiuk
-Higgins
-Pickens

Top FA Targets
-Evans
-Pittman
-Lockett?
-Ridley
-Brown

Top mid 1st to late 2nd RD Draft Targets
-Coleman
-Legette
-Egbuka
-Worthy
-Franklyn
-Wilson
-Mitchell
-Thomas
-Polk
-Corley

^If you let Jones & Sneed go (also assuming MVS) you have like $65m to spend, if you keep one or both you're probably more likely to go 1st RD WR.

I think we need to find the best deep threat we can. We used to have Hill deep, Kelce mid field, and McKinnon as check-down which gave us key pass-catchers at every level. Mahomes has a terrible deep ball QBR this year so we're not threatening anyone over the top. Find a fast guy that can go deep and open up the field for us, find another guy that can run crisp routes and get ****ing open, add a RB that loves to catch and we're back in business.

Chief Roundup · 12-29-2023, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Aiyuk and a mid tier vet addition and we’re good

He is not a UFA until 2025.

O.city · 12-29-2023, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

He is not a UFA until 2025.

Trade for him

MahomesMagic · 12-29-2023, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Trade for him

SF won’t trade him.

They are going for a SB next 2 years.

TEX · 12-29-2023, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Skyy Moore being a 2nd round pick has nothing to do with his VALUE going into this year. It should have been almost zero.

Same with Toney who was always injured and who they never put on the field much.

Yes. The BIG problem was they grossly OVERESTIMATED their ability to contribute.

TEX · 12-29-2023, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Chiefs amongst ESPN's most frustrating teams:

Spoiler!

7. Kansas City Chiefs
The problem: Their wide receivers can't catch or get open.

I laid out the staggering numbers for the Chiefs' offense and their drop rates a couple of weeks ago. Things haven't gotten much better since. Even without Kadarius Toney and Skyy Moore last week, Kansas City's wideouts have dropped 7.5% of Patrick Mahomes' passes this season. No other group of wide receivers is above 5%, and no team's wideouts have been worse at catching passes in a single season over the past decade.

In addition to having drop issues, the Chiefs simply don't have enough speed and athleticism at receiver. Toney was supposed to be the difference-maker, but he hasn't played even half the offensive snaps in a game all season. Moore, a second-round pick in 2022, has disappointed. Marquez Valdes-Scantling isn't threatening opposing defenses. Justin Watson is a big body, and rookie Rashee Rice has emerged as the team's top wide receiver, but the Chiefs don't have any receivers who scare opposing defenses, which is why the Raiders had no fear of playing tight coverage and breaking on short routes during their upset victory Monday.

There is no vertical component to this passing attack. Mahomes' average pass has traveled 6.3 yards in the air this season, the shortest mark for any starting quarterback. Only Russell Wilson throws at or behind the line of scrimmage more often. And when Mahomes has thrown deep this season, he has gone 15-of-57 for 489 yards with a touchdown and five picks. His 43.6 QBR on deep passes ranks 28th out of 30 passers; only Bryce Young and Mac Jones have been worse.

While the mood was tempered for a while in Kansas City by virtue of their Super Bowl success and the benefit of the doubt Mahomes and coach Andy Reid had earned by figuring things out in years past, it's clear the patience of Chiefs fans has waned. Mahomes & Co. were booed at times in the loss to the Raiders, when Vegas scored defensive touchdowns on consecutive plays. A year ago, the fix for the offense was more Jerick McKinnon in the passing game, upping the two- and three-tight-end set usage and using Isiah Pacheco more often to punish defenses. Now, McKinnon is on injured reserve and Pacheco missed two games before being forced out of last week's loss because of a concussion.

The cavalry might not be showing up, and that's particularly disappointing because it's happening in a season in which the Chiefs have a championship-caliber defense. Cornerback L'Jarius Sneed and defensive tackle Chris Jones are free agents after the season. Trading Tyreek Hill was controversial, but it helped the franchise win a championship a year ago. Trading Hill without a proven replacement at wide receiver didn't stop the Chiefs in 2022, but it seems to be haunting them and capping their ceiling now.

Can't argue with any of it. What makes matters worse is they're consistently frustrating.

O.city · 12-29-2023, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

SF won’t trade him.

They are going for a SB next 2 years.

They’re gonna have to get another corner and or some safeties, other than bosa rheir dl has underwhelmed a bit.

They need the picks and money

RunKC · 12-29-2023, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They’re gonna have to get another corner and or some safeties, other than bosa rheir dl has underwhelmed a bit.

They need the picks and money

The best player at every level of our defense is a FA. We'll need the picks and money.

Trading a 1st and using money seems like a really bad idea

**BossChief** · 12-29-2023, 02:58 PM

I’m not going to fault Veach. When you are managing huge contracts on a Super Bowl team, you have to rely on some lottery tickets hitting. It’s a huge adjust to the mean type year. He swung with some guys with upside hoping a couple of them would separate from the pack, but only Rice did so.

And who knows, maybe a guy like Toney or MVS has a big playoff run and we catch lightening in a bottle.

MahomesMagic · 12-29-2023, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

The best player at every level of our defense is a FA. We'll need the picks and money.

Trading a 1st and using money seems like a really bad idea

The defense doesn't need massive help. They got all the draft picks and money recently.

Offense needs this offseason's resources for once.

12-24-2023, 03:27 PM
Reerun_KC Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7231160	Off-season WR possibilities Seeing a lot of teams with sub .500 records with WRs that need to get with Mahomes. Who is available and who would you like to see us pursue to go with Rice and Watson.
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Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $223065	Chiefs amongst ESPN's most frustrating teams: Spoiler! 7. Kansas City Chiefs The problem: Their wide receivers can't catch or get open. I laid out the staggering numbers for the Chiefs' offense and their drop rates a couple of weeks ago. Things haven't gotten much better since. Even without Kadarius Toney and Skyy Moore last week, Kansas City's wideouts have dropped 7.5% of Patrick Mahomes' passes this season. No other group of wide receivers is above 5%, and no team's wideouts have been worse at catching passes in a single season over the past decade. In addition to having drop issues, the Chiefs simply don't have enough speed and athleticism at receiver. Toney was supposed to be the difference-maker, but he hasn't played even half the offensive snaps in a game all season. Moore, a second-round pick in 2022, has disappointed. Marquez Valdes-Scantling isn't threatening opposing defenses. Justin Watson is a big body, and rookie Rashee Rice has emerged as the team's top wide receiver, but the Chiefs don't have any receivers who scare opposing defenses, which is why the Raiders had no fear of playing tight coverage and breaking on short routes during their upset victory Monday. There is no vertical component to this passing attack. Mahomes' average pass has traveled 6.3 yards in the air this season, the shortest mark for any starting quarterback. Only Russell Wilson throws at or behind the line of scrimmage more often. And when Mahomes has thrown deep this season, he has gone 15-of-57 for 489 yards with a touchdown and five picks. His 43.6 QBR on deep passes ranks 28th out of 30 passers; only Bryce Young and Mac Jones have been worse. While the mood was tempered for a while in Kansas City by virtue of their Super Bowl success and the benefit of the doubt Mahomes and coach Andy Reid had earned by figuring things out in years past, it's clear the patience of Chiefs fans has waned. Mahomes & Co. were booed at times in the loss to the Raiders, when Vegas scored defensive touchdowns on consecutive plays. A year ago, the fix for the offense was more Jerick McKinnon in the passing game, upping the two- and three-tight-end set usage and using Isiah Pacheco more often to punish defenses. Now, McKinnon is on injured reserve and Pacheco missed two games before being forced out of last week's loss because of a concussion. The cavalry might not be showing up, and that's particularly disappointing because it's happening in a season in which the Chiefs have a championship-caliber defense. Cornerback L'Jarius Sneed and defensive tackle Chris Jones are free agents after the season. Trading Tyreek Hill was controversial, but it helped the franchise win a championship a year ago. Trading Hill without a proven replacement at wide receiver didn't stop the Chiefs in 2022, but it seems to be haunting them and capping their ceiling now.
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