Off-season WR possibilities

[Reerun_KC]

Seeing a lot of teams with sub .500 records with WRs that need to get with Mahomes.

Who is available and who would you like to see us pursue to go with Rice and Watson.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by O.city

That's why you trade for and pay the guys that are worth it.

I just don't think it's realistic for KC to trade and then pay for a guy now that Mahomes is on the big deal.

It made sense when he was on a rookie deal (or at least more, I know some guys I respect would say you never do it). You could at least work it into the cap situation. Now, though?

You don't do it unless there are no alternatives. Like when KC traded for Orlando Brown. There were no viable alternatives in FA and the draft wasn't going to provide an answer.

There are too many viable alternatives in FA for me to be on-board with trading picks for Aiyuk and then giving him the big deal.

Trading a pick for a guy who's on an existing deal and willing to keep playing on it is more palatable, but it's hard to guess what will open up there. I don't see the Seahawks moving Metcalf, or the Commanders moving McLaurin, or the Bucs moving Godwin. Maybe there's a deal like that out there, but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting on it or pin the whole offseason plan on it.

Even at $20M year for Mike Evans or Marquise Brown, that's still a lower AAV than a guy like Aiyuk is going to get if traded, plus you keep the draft capital and add a cost-effective, high-quality talent.

So it's GREAT WR (for a 1st+ that you then sign to a market value contract like DJ Moore's) vs. really good FA WR + $5-7M in AAV cap space + a 1st round pick + whatever other draft capital you had to surrender.

I like that second scenario a lot more, and it's a lot more consistent with how the Chiefs seem to be building now that Mahomes is on his big deal.

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

He's an incredible physical specimen.

So why did he do absolutely nothing for four entire years, before deciding to be Megatron in his fifth?

Hamstring injury his 1st year (covid year) cut his season in half, in his 2nd year, a scooter accident/surgery cut him off, third year was a new QB/system implementation, that offseason, he worked out with Deebo in the summer and then became a stud. Is he the guy? No idea, but he doesn't appear to be an MVS-cardio guy that couldn't catch or get open.

[BleedingRed]

I've settled on Mike Evans

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It isn't just about 1's either. We have low investment in the position compared to many teams.

We have 2 2's, if you are going to go with 2's then you have to turn around and re-invest. Pittsburgh is a great example of this, they used 2's on Juju, James Washington and George Pickens but they also used a 4 on Diontae Johnson.

It works for them because they just keep swinging. Also there is something to be said for what types of swings you take, are you swinging at raw elite talent?Or you swinging at a technician, or are you taking a blind swing because honestly Skyy Moore feels kinda that way, he isn't a toolsy athletic guy or a refined technician..so uh what is he?

They also had to keep swinging because the ones they had they didn't resign.

If you have an elite guy, you don't need to keep drafting guys early. The Vikings drafted another one in Addison....great, now their defense sucks and they don't have a qb under contract.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by O.city

They also had to keep swinging because the ones they had they didn't resign.

If you have an elite guy, you don't need to keep drafting guys early. The Vikings drafted another one in Addison....great, now their defense sucks and they don't have a qb under contract.

They drafted 2 of those guys while Antonio Brown was there...

Minnesota has made a ton of bad picks over the last few years other than WR's.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I just don't think it's realistic for KC to trade and then pay for a guy now that Mahomes is on the big deal.

It made sense when he was on a rookie deal (or at least more, I know some guys I respect would say you never do it). You could at least work it into the cap situation. Now, though?

You don't do it unless there are no alternatives. Like when KC traded for Orlando Brown. There were no viable alternatives in FA and the draft wasn't going to provide an answer.

There are too many viable alternatives in FA for me to be on-board with trading picks for Aiyuk and then giving him the big deal.

Trading a pick for a guy who's on an existing deal and willing to keep playing on it is more palatable, but it's hard to guess what will open up there. I don't see the Seahawks moving Metcalf, or the Commanders moving McLaurin, or the Bucs moving Godwin. Maybe there's a deal like that out there, but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting on it or pin the whole offseason plan on it.

Even at $20M year for Mike Evans or Marquise Brown, that's still a lower AAV than a guy like Aiyuk is going to get if traded, plus you keep the draft capital and add a cost-effective, high-quality talent.

So it's GREAT WR (for a 1st+ that you then sign to a market value contract like DJ Moore's) vs. really good FA WR + $5-7M in AAV cap space + a 1st round pick + whatever other draft capital you had to surrender.

I like that second scenario a lot more, and it's a lot more consistent with how the Chiefs seem to be building now that Mahomes is on his big deal.

The issue is the "really good" wr's, are more likely than not, gonna not end up being really good and you end up overpaying.

Kinda like the Mozeliak and his paying 3 different guys who are cheaper, the same amount they could have just paid the elite guy.

[Mecca]

If Evans actually hits FA then yea you should take that swing, who knows if that actually happens though.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Mecca

They drafted 2 of those guys while Antonio Brown was there...

Minnesota has made a ton of bad picks over the last few years other than WR's.

One of them being a 4th rounder. Those are....pretty lottery ticket ish.

The Chiefs took Hardman in the 2nd while they had Hill.

Now Hill is gone, so it's time to go a little heavier there, but the "they haven't invested" thing just doesn't make sense.

[O.city]

Evans is older, Veach doesn't do big deals for old players. So you'd probably look at a 2 ish year deal and for what he will want I doubt they'd pay that.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by O.city

The issue is the "really good" wr's, are more likely than not, gonna not end up being really good and you end up overpaying.

Kinda like the Mozeliak and his paying 3 different guys who are cheaper, the same amount they could have just paid the elite guy.

I don't think that has to be the case.

I love Brandon Aiyuk. Even if the 49ers trade him, I'm not sure he's SO much better than Evans or Ridley or Marquise Brown that it's worth it to pay him 30-40 percent more AND give up draft capital for that right.

And let's not act like he's a sure thing, either. He's about the 4th option in San Francisco. He's outstanding in that role, but there could be legit questions about how that translates when he is THE MAN rather than A man.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I've settled on Mike Evans

I could be talked into Mike+ Chark/Samuel. Mike himself doesnt do it unless we bring back MVS or Hardman and make Hardman our deep ball guy.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Mecca

He's their 4th WR...if MVS was our 4 people would be less upset.

They don't have the best WR group in the league or anything but they did attack the position. It has 2 1st round picks and a cheap vet mixed with a former star.

Also the argument isn't "hey Rice is having a better year than Flowers" or that he's better than any of Baltimore's guys because Rice isn't the issue. The issue is everyone else, we have 1 WR where they have 3.

As an overall group we are at the bottom of the damn league, but that is what happens with low investment in the position.

I wouldn't consider back-to-back 2nd rd picks and trading for a top 20 draft pick low investment. The problem is that these guys both flamed out shockingly bad. Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney are both unplayable and there's not a single person on this board or at 1 Arrowhead Drive who thought that would happen, especially Toney. The worry with Toney was never talent, it was always injury.

The Ravens were in our same situation last year when they had Demarcus Robinson, the corpse of Sammy Watkins, James Proche, Rashod Bateman and Devin Duvernay. They didn't do enough either.

Veach is gonna attack WR hard this off-season. We can all agree about that.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I wouldn't consider back-to-back 2nd rd picks and trading for a top 20 draft pick low investment. The problem is that these guys both flamed out shockingly bad. Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney are both unplayable and there's not a single person on this board or at 1 Arrowhead Drive who thought that would happen, especially Toney. The worry with Toney was never talent, it was always injury.

The Ravens were in our same situation last year when they had Demarcus Robinson, the corpse of Sammy Watkins, James Proche, Rashod Bateman and Devin Duvernay. They didn't do enough either.

Veach is gonna attack WR hard this off-season. We can all agree about that.

Toney was pretty blatantly overdrafted, lets be honest he got drafted by Dave Gettleman.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I wouldn't consider back-to-back 2nd rd picks and trading for a top 20 draft pick low investment. The problem is that these guys both flamed out shockingly bad. Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney are both unplayable and there's not a single person on this board or at 1 Arrowhead Drive who thought that would happen, especially Toney. The worry with Toney was never talent, it was always injury.

The Ravens were in our same situation last year when they had Demarcus Robinson, the corpse of Sammy Watkins, James Proche, Rashod Bateman and Devin Duvernay. They didn't do enough either.

Veach is gonna attack WR hard this off-season. We can all agree about that.

Thinking that Skyy Moore was an asset because he was a 2nd round pick the year before was stupid.

Same thing with Tony who was always injured or when he wasn't didn't get many snaps.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

Pissing away money and resources.....for a top 3 all pro?

I mean, it cost alot. The reward for them has been....pretty much worth it.

Everyone keeps blowing the Ravens in this thread and not realizing that they didn't go nuts fixing their WR room last Spring.

They have 3 competent WR's on their team and didn't spend much money at all to do it, so no you don't need to trade and pay.

The Ravens WR room looks like the Chiefs 2022 WR room with Rice added.