Let's Talk About Baltimore (AFC Championship)

[SHOWTIME]

Headed back to the AFC Championship Game!!!! Discuss.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Here's the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B20v...l=JamieJohnson

Philly held the Falcons to 3 points, Vick to 30 yards rushing and two picks. No tuddies.

Lamar is very similar to Vick in his prime and both guys really wait for lanes if the first 1-2 reads aren't there.

So I'm really interested to see how Spags cooks this one up.

Yeah, we have seen the Chiefs do a lot of mush rushes against Josh Allen, so we know they have that trick in their bag for sure. Makes sense to do it with Lamar Jackson also.

Watching the Ravens a bit again today, I just don’t see much difference in Jackson as a passer. He has better weapons and a more pass friendly scheme, but he still gets inconsistent when he’s moving to throw, and he still struggles throwing outside the numbers.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Yea but of course they're gonna throw the stats of every team they played at home had a winning record, 7 made the playoffs..

They're also the first defense in history to lead the league in sacks, PPG and Turnovers.

They're good, I think they're propped up a bit by getting teams at favorable times.

If you look closely you'll see the two most proven QB's they faced (Stafford and Watson) lit that defense up in Baltimore and Burrow was doing the same until he got injured. I'm digging into the numbers and tape but I think people might be surprised by how basic the list of QB's that defense has faced.

[Coochie liquor]

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[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yeah, we have seen the Chiefs do a lot of mush rushes against Josh Allen, so we know they have that trick in their bag for sure. Makes sense to do it with Lamar Jackson also.

Watching the Ravens a bit again today, I just don’t see much difference in Jackson as a passer. He has better weapons and a more pass friendly scheme, but he still gets inconsistent when he’s moving to throw, and he still struggles throwing outside the numbers.

Yeah, like any QB you can pull together enough ok throws to make a youtube vid, but he certainly looked like the same passer as me... doesn't even look all that confident throwing the ball from what I saw the other day.

[BigRedChief]

Patrick Mahomes' 4 games vs. the Ravens:

2018: 377 passing yards, 2 TDs
2019: 374 passing yards, 3 TDs
2020: 385 passing yards, 5 TDs
2021: 343 passing yards, 3 TDs pic.twitter.com/zCBODITGlT

— NFL (@NFL) January 22, 2024

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Whogotitbetter

Since draft position matters all your top 10 wrs are first rounders? that's makes no logical stance where they were drafted, what round was puka drafted? obj is washed, bateman is jag, zay is solid, andrews is all pro, likely is solid, but you're just listing names, James cook is pro bowl rb 1300 scrimmage yards,Shakir is a stud, diggs is an all pro, kincaid is already one of the best tight ends in the league and better then likely, Andrews is elite, but he didn't have that. Both are medicore, but lamar is a 2x mvp and He can elevate a team, meanwhile joe brady by his playcalling acknowledged he had weapons and made Josh a game manager.

If you think Baltimore's weapons are worse than Buffalo's, I don't know what to tell you.

Kincaid and Shakir are up and coming, but lets not pretend they are studs yet.

Baltimore's weapons are Bona Fide by comparison to the Bills. If anything their production is more indicative of Jackson's limitations than his ability to produce. Jackson is a special player with the ball in his hands, but last I checked, running backs don't win championships. Any weapon is going to struggle to produce by traditional metrics when your QB distributes the ball all of 28.5 times a game in his FAR AND AWAY most pass-oriented year.

So yea, I do think the Raven's weapons have their hands tied, and all things being equal, are on par with, if not better than the Bills. I guess its a good thing Lamar is a good running back. It really elevates his team.

[Whogotitbetter]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

The last game I watched, the Ravens gave up 3 points to Houston's offense. They would have won that game with Kyle Boller at QB.

The texans were missing player but even so that'd be why they beat the chiefs, also seen the bills hold the cowboys to 3 and win throwing the ball under 100 yards.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Spags copied Fangio's cover 2 shell blueprint that made Mahomes struggle in 2021. 2 deep, cut off the deep pass and force the QB to make long drives and not make mistakes.

Allen made the plays in the red zone 2X to Shakir but never at any other moment. I bet he does the same thing to Lamar.

.@Chiefs gameplan was perfectly executed. Bend but dont break. @bills had 0 explosive plays. They were not going to get beat deep. Forced a lot of checkdowns and scrambles and got the most important prize. The W. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/7MEq5CRH1X

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) January 22, 2024

To say the Bills had zero explosive plays is technically correct, but come on. Allen threw two perfect deep balls that were dropped. I don't think the Chiefs D played particularly well yesterday, but I tip the cap to Josh Allen. Having said that, Lamar Jackson just isn't as good as Josh Allen.

[wachashi]

Just a reminder of how quickly Lamar chews up yards when he does decide to run. And damn, Fred Warner wasn't even close to touching him here.

Besides this being yet another ridiculous Lamar play, what cracks me up about it is Fred Warner on a dead sprint thinking he's just going to line Lamar up in the open field. pic.twitter.com/riJttaPUVA

— Ryan Mink (@ryanmink) December 27, 2023

[grimes82]

Originally Posted by Iconic

might be buying tickets to go to this one. from maryland.

first time ill get to watch the chiefs live and its a step below a sb. **** me.

Would love to score some tickets for this game, I’m from MD as well.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Ravens are going to run all over us if we do that

between the 20's... then it gets compacted. Hold them to 3, which was the plan last night, but Josh made to crazy 3 down throws in the redzone.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

To say the Bills had zero explosive plays is technically correct, but come on. Allen threw two perfect deep balls that were dropped. I don't think the Chiefs D played particularly well yesterday, but I tip the cap to Josh Allen. Having said that, Lamar Jackson just isn't as good as Josh Allen.

Perfect? The one was short and left and the receiver almost made an impossible catch on it. The pass to Diggs, who was very well covered and was thrown slightly to the outside and 50/50 catch at best. That was on the last drive too. So they miss a FG there or score a TD, we have the ball and 6 minutes to play...

[carcosa]

Originally Posted by seamonster

Local baltimore radio were joking on the Chiefs. Very confident in a blowout.. They seem to think they've already won the SB and it's just a formality. Bizarre coming from a franchise that's 2-3 in the playoffs with Lamar compared to a team with Mahomes (13-3). Somebody needs to send the Chiefs clips of these clowns.

The more I hear confident predictions against the chiefs, knowing that Mahomes also hears every word of it, the more confident I get that we'll win.

This team is a completely different animal in the playoffs, and I don't know why that's so hard for some people to grasp.

[ForeverIowan]

I referred to the "house money" as well. I feel like the AFC championship game was played in Buffalo last night. I really do. IMO Josh Allen is the 2nd best quarterback in the league and it isn't really a close 3rd. Allen played a near flawless game and left everything on the field and it still did not matter. A stadium full of Bills fans who knew that was the biggest game in their stadium in the past 30+ years poured their hearts and souls into that game and it still did not matter. I feel like that was the biggest obstacle left in our way. By far.

We are witnessing history. Mahomes is an absolute unicorn. He is the best quarterback that will ever play the game. His "over my dead body" mentality and downright refusal to let his team lose in these playoff moments is paralled in history by only Michael Jordan. I think our team knows we have the baddest MFer on the block and they are going to play free and loose from here on out. No more dropped passes. No stupid ass penalties. No turnovers. Jump on Mahomes' back and go secure the greatest dynasty and 6 year stretch the league has ever seen

[Whogotitbetter]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

If you think Baltimore's weapons are worse than Buffalo's, I don't know what to tell you.

Kincaid and Shakir are up and coming, but lets not pretend they are studs yet.

Baltimore's weapons are Bona Fide by comparison to the Bills. If anything their production is more indicative of Jackson's limitations than his ability to produce. Jackson is a special player with the ball in his hands, but last I checked, running backs don't win championships. Any weapon is going to struggle to produce by traditional metrics when your QB distributes the ball all of 28.5 times a game in his FAR AND AWAY most pass-oriented year.

So yea, I do think the Raven's weapons have their hands tied, and all things being equal, are on par with, if not better than the Bills. I guess its a good thing Lamar is a good running back. It really elevates his team.

They don’t have worse then buffalo, their both in the same group of mid though , also player by player who are you taking? Diggs or Flowers’s easy answer , shakir or washed obj? Easy answer , cooks or gus/hill easy answer , kincaid or likely? talking about passing metric while forgetting their like bottom 10 in passing attempts and run heavy and value efficiency over volume, joe Brady made Allen a game manager , Lamar is playmaker that’s going to be the difference