Let's Talk About Baltimore (AFC Championship)

[SHOWTIME]

Headed back to the AFC Championship Game!!!! Discuss.

[RavensMania]

Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire

mahomes is black and isnt considered a running qb last i checked

Lamar is a pocket passer who played in a pro style offense in college EP Scheme. He's always keeping his eyes downfield and only goes if there isn't anything open. Yes he has the ability to run better than anyone, but he's also running a lot less this year. He's had a lot less designed runs this season.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Sneed and McDuffie say hello...

I think showing blitz is smart, but blitzing him may not be. If he gets under or around your blitzer, you're in trouble. That leaves a lot of green in front of him and you're now 2 guys short in covering the space.

Now that all said, blitz numbers against other teams don't translate as well against the Chiefs as people think because our coverage stuff is pretty damn unique.

Not necessarily in the "Man, our coverage is so much better than theirs" sense (though as a general rule it is). But rather in a "Holy hell, these guys are absolutely beating the shit out of us as we try to get off the line" sense.

It's HARD to beat a blitz when your guys can't get into their routes. McDuffie is sticky in the slot so that's a tough hot read, especially when he's such a sure tackler. And Sneed...well that dude just spends entire games physically assaulting whatever poor bastard he's lined up against. If this were in Arrowhead, OBJ would absolutely end up with a personal foul call against him at some point for shoving Sneed after a play. In Baltimore he may be able to keep it under control. Watson and Williams are plenty physical in their own right.

But beating a blitz is about having a guy short you can hit quickly. Likely is talented as hell - but does he know the offense well enough to be the hot? Does it matter if he does and Gay is healthy? Can the Baltimore WRs get off the jam well enough to give Lamar someone to throw to anyway?

The Chiefs blitz is a slightly different animal because of how physical their corners are at the line. I almost wonder if the better answer isn't to drop back deep (like Mahomes will do sometimes) and huck a YOLO ball out there in the hopes that Flowers or OBJ won the battle at the line, can win on a shot play and now you force the DBs to be a little less aggressive.

Then again, I'm not sure 'less aggressive' is a club that Playoff Spags has in his bag. Dude's a lunatic in the post-season.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

The difference in DVOA between the Ravens and Chiefs is the same as the difference between the Chiefs and Jets.

The difference between Mahomes and Lamar is like comparing steak and a big, to oatmeal on a cold morning.

[RavensMania]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

So the question is which is the better team we've faced? The Eagles team we saw in the superbowl or this Ravens?

Qb= Hurts and Lamar are literally the same imo. Both can kill you running and can have good days throwing but usually that's not their strength.

Ol= Eagles easily

WR= Eagles had AJ and Smith so imo that's easily Eagles again

TE= tough one. Andrews and Dallas are the same but Likely perhaps gives Bal the edge

RB= Sanders, Scott, Gainwell etc were better imo so Eagles

DL= Eagles easily and their sack record proved it

LB= Bal easily here no debate

Secondary= both teams have good individual talent so it's possibly a tie here imo.

Coaching= may be a tie too considering the Eagles guys are now head coaches. Though granted Harbough has win a ring but he doesn't call plays.

Eagles also had the tush push which Bal doesn't do. So who's the better roster? Imo I'd say the Eagles were probably the better team and had the same number one seed, had a top defense and a QB playing at an MVP level. They had a feared run game with two number one receivers that HAD to be respected.

So we've been here before on an even bigger stage just a year ago ya'll. And I think that experience against the Eagles will be huge for us going into Sunday.

Hurts and Lamar are nowhere near the same QB.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by RavensMania

Lamar is a pocket passer who played in a pro style offense in college EP Scheme. He's always keeping his eyes downfield and only goes if there isn't anything open. Yes he has the ability to run better than anyone, but he's also running a lot less this year. He's had a lot less designed runs this season.

6th most rushing attempts by a QB in a season in league history this year.

No, he’s not running a lot less this year.

Averaging just over 9 attempts per game. His career average is just over 10 attempts per game.

So he’s pretty much in line with what he’s been.

Curious how you’ll spin this given your comment. If he’s a pocket passer then why run so much? Can’t these weapons get open?

Or are these designed runs, which you said there are a lot less of this year?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by RavensMania

Hurts and Lamar are nowhere near the same QB.

He does have "Village Idiot" under his username for a reason, just fyi...

[carcosa]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

We’ve had this conversation every year with a different fan base for the last 6 years. Don’t believe me? Go back into the archives and pull them up.

Opposing Fan:
“Hi, Joe Fan Here from X. Just wanted to stop by and wish you guys luck and a great game Saturday/Sunday. Should be fun…”
(Reads board, can’t believe how confident Chiefs Fans are on a Chiefs MB)

“Have you guys even looked at our stats and who we played and beat? I mean, this team is different…”
(Reads replies and can’t believe the amount of disrespect he’s seeing)

“You know, Mahomes hasn’t faced a player like X or a Defense like ours. This isn’t going to be some BS D like the X that you faced in he Divisional Round.
(Reads replies and can’t believe he’s being ignored. The butthurt intensifies)

“Wow, I can’t believe you guys are so confident and arrogant! Do you even watch football outside of KC? Have you seen these stats? (Links numerous worthless stats that we’ve all seen before and waits for people to be impressed. No one is impressed)

“What the f is wrong with Chiefs Fans? You have NEVER faced an opponent like our Team! This is going to be Mahomes greatest challenge ever. He’ll have to have the Strength of Thor and the Wisdom of Solomon to even have a small chance of victory. You are doomed!” (Reads replies that everyone is now laughing at him. People have now stopped replying. He’s incensed)

“**** you, you bunch of inbred Missouri hillbillies! KC is a shithole and YOUR BBQ sucks!!! I hope our D rips Mahomes head off and shits down his neck. **** you!!! (Account deleted).

*RINSE. REPEAT. EVERY YEAR

Perfect except you forgot the part where the Chiefs win

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by PurpleOrange

A blitz is a blitz is it not, should he be penalized because of the team that was blitzing him?

There is a good read right now on PFF about the improvements in Lamar's numbers this year against the blitz and what KC may do to try and slow him down. I would link to it, but apparently as a new poster I don't have that ability.

A blitz is not a blitz. Not every team that is blitzing is the same.

There are some QBs you can just blitz and they don't have an answer for it, period. Jackson isn't one of those now (and never had ZERO answers against the blitz).

But there are so many factors that separate teams as blitzers. There's the design and timing (where it comes from, how it is disguised, the effectiveness of the blitzer at timing the blitz, how it works with what the DL is doing).

There's also the matter of what's done behind the blitz. When you have a really effective back 7 that covers well AND is disciplined in getting to its responsibilities, it separates the blitz. In previous Chiefs years, you could try to beat the blitz by picking on a weak CB or LB or S in coverage. Those weak spots aren't really there now. The Chiefs have 2 excellent cover corners, 2 good cover corners behind them, good coverage skills at LB, and strong S play.

Originally Posted by Whogotitbetter

There might just not be a way to actually defend lamar especially with andrews coming back, he can beat the blitz, the 49ers have a better pass rush they tried to contain and it didn't work, make him beat you with his arm and he does what he did against the lions, guy is on his way to the hall of fame for a reason. Tough matchup

Do the 49ers have a better pass rush? They have bigger names. Nick Bosa is great. Chase Young was a top pick and has never quite lived up to the billing of that. Erik Armstead is a steady player but not a world beater as a pass rusher.

The Chiefs racked up more sacks (18.8% more, or about a 1/2 sack/game). Chris Jones is just as elite a defensive lineman as Nick Bosa. Charles Omenihu had as many sacks in 11 games as the 49ers' #2 pass rusher did in 16, and we haven't even got to George Karlaftis yet, who had as many sacks as Bosa and Jones.

The 49ers' DL has bigger names, but the Chiefs' DL has been better this year (and showed incredible discipline against the Bills, sacrificing pass rush wins/pressure to do the slow pocket push and try to keep Allen in the pocket).

The Lions have a pretty awful pass defense. They gave up almost 8 yards per attempt on the season - only the Bengals were worse. The Texans were just a shade better.

So none of the stuff you referenced about the 49ers or Lions has any relevance to how the Ravens and Jackson will fare against the Chiefs, actually.

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I want to be the first to congratulate the Lamar Jackson lead Ravens on being the first team to win a Super Bowl before wining a Championship game...


Good job Team...

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

let's bury this here, why not...

Hate Me Now (originally Nas-- changed for Mahomes)

Playoff Season has returned
It's been a long time, been a long time comin'
Looks like the death of the bills
But you know, there's no turning back now
This is what makes me, championships are what I am

You can hate me now, (Q.B.) but I won't stop now (real playas)
Cause I can't stop now, (ravens) you can hate me now (c'mon)
But I won't stop now, cause I can't stop now
You can hate me now, you can hate me now

Don't hate me, hate the blitzes I see, passes I throw
rings that I win, make you spin, close your eyes
Picture me throwin', sixes, money stackin'
Bitches, accounts that swollen to riches, Chiefs get in ya
Most critically acclaimed most valuable player
Best defense reader, improv narrator, my style's greater
play maker, big threat to a lot of you haters
Commentators sideline try watchin' my paper
bout half a decade, quite impressive
Most of the best is in the essence
For this football shit that I stand for
Expandin' more to the big screen, state farm dreams
But it seems you'd rather see me on sidelines while we on D
Want me off the scene fast, but good things last
Like your favorite QB still makin' some mean cash
First qb to bring a platinum plaque back to Whitehouse TX
But you still wanna hate, be my guest, I suggest

You can hate me now, (Q.B.) but I won't stop now (real playas)
Cause I can't stop now, (ravens) you can hate me now (c'mon)
But I won't stop now, cause I can't stop now
You can hate me now, you can hate me now

You wanna hate me then hate me, what can I do
But keep throwin’ tuddies, funny I was just like you
I had to hustle hard, never give up, until I made it
Now y'all sayin' "that's a clever playa, nothin' to play with"
Hate on me, I blew but I'm the same QB
People warn me, when you're on top, there's envy
Took my WRs out the hood, but you doubt on us
Sayin' we forgot how to play but can't get it out of us
My bad, skip the pro bowl, then hand it to you?
Here's my o-line and my TE room, you can throw to them too
Criticize when I throw for the streets, hate my chiefs hat
nike this, reebok that, what you expect, ho?
Nickname showtime, took this game to its threshold
Best throw, I bet the whole U.S. know
Try to make it like you the realest, but who the best?
Think we all know the answer to that, cause y’all feel this right

You can hate me now, (Q.B.) but I won't stop now (real playas)
Cause I can't stop now, (ravens) you can hate me now (c'mon)
But I won't stop now, cause I can't stop now
You can hate me now, you can hate me now

It's a thin line between winner and lose
Fins and bills, nine man fronts and fourty-sixes
Hell or the pearly gates, I was destined to win
Predicted, blame Veach, he saw talent in droves
Second to none, turn your wife into a widow
Shoot through wintry breeze, the desolate one
Took a little time to claim my spot
MVP of the league until this game stop, and I side with the Lord
Ride for the cause while drivin' linemen blitzed at my doors
Plottin' I'm sure to catch me with they three deep to my jaws
Tried sackin’ me up but I flipped on these ducks
Instead of me, ambulances were picking them up
NFL fans fear what they don't understand, hate what they can't conquer
Guess it's just the theory of man
Became a monster, on top of the world, never fallin'
I'm as real as they come from day one, forever ballin'
C'mon

You can hate me now, (Q.B.) but I won't stop now (real playas)
Cause I can't stop now, (ravens) you can hate me now (c'mon)
But I won't stop now, cause I can't stop now
You can hate me now, you can hate me now

Oh shit! Didn’t know you were gifted like that. I’m about to drop a song before the game. Not as cool as yours though. We should do a Chiefs freestyle battle!

[RollChiefsRoll]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

A blitz is not a blitz. Not every team that is blitzing is the same.

There are some QBs you can just blitz and they don't have an answer for it, period. Jackson isn't one of those now (and never had ZERO answers against the blitz).

But there are so many factors that separate teams as blitzers. There's the design and timing (where it comes from, how it is disguised, the effectiveness of the blitzer at timing the blitz, how it works with what the DL is doing).

There's also the matter of what's done behind the blitz. When you have a really effective back 7 that covers well AND is disciplined in getting to its responsibilities, it separates the blitz. In previous Chiefs years, you could try to beat the blitz by picking on a weak CB or LB or S in coverage. Those weak spots aren't really there now. The Chiefs have 2 excellent cover corners, 2 good cover corners behind them, good coverage skills at LB, and strong S play.



Do the 49ers have a better pass rush? They have bigger names. Nick Bosa is great. Chase Young was a top pick and has never quite lived up to the billing of that. Erik Armstead is a steady player but not a world beater as a pass rusher.

The Chiefs racked up more sacks (18.8% more, or about a 1/2 sack/game). Chris Jones is just as elite a defensive lineman as Nick Bosa. Charles Omenihu had as many sacks in 11 games as the 49ers' #2 pass rusher did in 16, and we haven't even got to George Karlaftis yet, who had as many sacks as Bosa and Jones.

The 49ers' DL has bigger names, but the Chiefs' DL has been better this year (and showed incredible discipline against the Bills, sacrificing pass rush wins/pressure to do the slow pocket push and try to keep Allen in the pocket).

The Lions have a pretty awful pass defense. They gave up almost 8 yards per attempt on the season - only the Bengals were worse. The Texans were just a shade better.

So none of the stuff you referenced about the 49ers or Lions has any relevance to how the Ravens and Jackson will fare against the Chiefs, actually.

Duncan from the ****ing top rope.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll

Duncan from the ****ing top rope.

This Is Gods Work Blessings GIFfrom This Is Gods Work GIFs

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

A blitz is not a blitz. Not every team that is blitzing is the same.

There are some QBs you can just blitz and they don't have an answer for it, period. Jackson isn't one of those now (and never had ZERO answers against the blitz).

But there are so many factors that separate teams as blitzers. There's the design and timing (where it comes from, how it is disguised, the effectiveness of the blitzer at timing the blitz, how it works with what the DL is doing).

There's also the matter of what's done behind the blitz. When you have a really effective back 7 that covers well AND is disciplined in getting to its responsibilities, it separates the blitz. In previous Chiefs years, you could try to beat the blitz by picking on a weak CB or LB or S in coverage. Those weak spots aren't really there now. The Chiefs have 2 excellent cover corners, 2 good cover corners behind them, good coverage skills at LB, and strong S play.



Do the 49ers have a better pass rush? They have bigger names. Nick Bosa is great. Chase Young was a top pick and has never quite lived up to the billing of that. Erik Armstead is a steady player but not a world beater as a pass rusher.

The Chiefs racked up more sacks (18.8% more, or about a 1/2 sack/game). Chris Jones is just as elite a defensive lineman as Nick Bosa. Charles Omenihu had as many sacks in 11 games as the 49ers' #2 pass rusher did in 16, and we haven't even got to George Karlaftis yet, who had as many sacks as Bosa and Jones.

The 49ers' DL has bigger names, but the Chiefs' DL has been better this year (and showed incredible discipline against the Bills, sacrificing pass rush wins/pressure to do the slow pocket push and try to keep Allen in the pocket).

The Lions have a pretty awful pass defense. They gave up almost 8 yards per attempt on the season - only the Bengals were worse. The Texans were just a shade better.

So none of the stuff you referenced about the 49ers or Lions has any relevance to how the Ravens and Jackson will fare against the Chiefs, actually.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Baltimore, you guys keep clinging to DVOA… that’s your right

I’ll keep remembering that Patrick Mahomes’ playoff career stat line is that of an MVP.

His numbers in playoff games alone would make him the unanimous winner of the award if lined up against this year’s options. Games against nothing but good to great playoff teams.

Ravens fans sound identical to Bills fans. Look at the EPA! Our DVOA! We want to play the Chiefs.

Narrator: But they wish now they didn’t play the Chiefs.

[digger]

(Insert Current teams Fan here): See were better than Mahomes, because blah blah blah...