Let's Talk About Baltimore (AFC Championship)

[SHOWTIME]

Headed back to the AFC Championship Game!!!! Discuss.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad

Was the narrative that Mahimes never WON a postseason road game or he never PLAYED IN a postseason road game.? Its hard to win something you never actually played in.

The narrative is that he had HFA during his entire postseason career and everyone wanted to see how he'd perform in a hostile postseason environment. And naturally that was answered last Sunday.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad

I appreciate your honesty. That's all we are saying. You guys have played 2 defense thays been decimated by injuries and think your back. This weeks will tell the true story. Truth be told beating the Bills on a missed fg with all those injuries isn't anything to right home about. Not for the big bad Chiefs who has the best coach, HOF QB, and best playoff DC this league has ever seen. Surely you should have boat raced a team that was missing WR 2, LB1, 2, 3, CB1, amongst other guys
Come in and put up similar numbers againat a relatively healthy Ravens team and you may be on to something.

Hey dickbag, we steam rolled the Phins in the fourth coldest game ever played.

Then we were a Hardman fumble at the 1 from beating the Bills by 30+.

When you team wins a chip talk some shit like this but not until then

[StalkRavenMad]

Originally Posted by RunKC

You guys played against a Texans team without Tank Dell or Noah Brown. And their OL was total shit outside of Tunsil.

I've watched your defense. They aren't some all world squad. The Browns and Rams game clearly prove that. You basically have one very good pass rusher (Madubuike) on your DL. That's really about it

And I already posted how much trouble good TE's give your defense.

One good pass rusher? Mads had 12 sacks, Clowney had 9.5, Vsn Noy had 9, and Oweh had 5 but ok we have 1 good pass rushers. It took Deshaun Watson to literally have a perfect half for them to get to OT and beat us and there isn't a Puka Nukua or Copper Kupp on your team. The only TE that had a day was George Kittle and nearly half his yards came on 1 play. But ok.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad

Tje only one that looks at Mahomes as the GOAT is Chiefs Planet. While being wildly talented there's a guy that has 7 Lombardis that is the consensus GOAT. I guess if Chiefs Planet said it it's golden.

Tom is the GOAT, no question.

But Mahomes has some metrics in his favor that are pretty incredible. Reminds me of Tiger Woods compared to Jack Nicklaus in that regard. Tiger did some things that even Jack never accomplished. A lot of people including yourself are probably not even aware of this one. Playoff comebacks while trailing by at least 7 points:

Patrick Mahomes: 8-2 record (80% win rate)
Tom Brady: 10-11 record (48% win rate)
Joe Montana: 4-6 record (40% win rate)
Peyton Manning: 3-9 record (25% win rate)

Joe Montana was known as a super clutch player who was pretty legendary for leading great comebacks. He had a better defense backing him than Mahomes has ever had, which you would think helped Montana in those comeback scenarios. Montana & Mahomes have the same sample size of 10 Playoff games on this metric. And Mahomes is at 80% win rate while Montana is at 40% win rate. That's pretty mindblowing.

[StalkRavenMad]

Originally Posted by Shag

You just lying to yourself here, the pressure is entirely on Lamar and his reputation as a playoff choker. The Chiefs have nothing to prove at this point, are in a down year, and can embrace the underdog role. Of course they WANT to win, but the narrative doesn't change if they lose. If Lamar loses, it's just another choke-job, proving his doubters right.

Let me get this straight if Lamar loses to God in cleats, the greatest HC in history and the greatest playoff DC in history its another choke job. But if God in Cleats, the greatest HC, and the greatest playoff DC loses to a perennial choker they just chalk it up to be down year? You can't make this stuff up.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad

Let me get this straight if Lamar loses to God in cleats, the greatest HC in history and the greatest playoff DC in history its another choke job. But if God in Cleats, the greatest HC, and the greatest playoff DC loses to a perennial choker they just chalk it up to be down year? You can't make this stuff up.

You guys are the one with the 13-4 record and an incredibly stacked team. And Lamar's playoff record is 2-3.

So.... yes.

[philfree]

I was just comparing Mahomes' stats to Jackson's for 2023 and if my math is correct Mahomes ended up with more combined yards than Jackson. I wouldn't have thought that with Jackson being the MVP that it would have been the other way around. And the Chiefs offense is supposed to have sucked this year. Weird.

[StalkRavenMad]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

I still maintain that we just won our toughest remaining game of the season.

Your toughest game of the season was a team that was missing wr2, LB 1, 2, 3, and CB 1? I get it now you are propping Josh Allen up so you can feel better about needing a missed fg to win.

[OneWinningDrive]

Originally Posted by philfree

I was just comparing Mahomes' stats to Jackson's for 2023 and if my math is correct Mahomes ended up with more combined yards than Jackson. I wouldn't have thought that with Jackson being the MVP that it would have been the other way around. And the Chiefs offense is supposed to have sucked this year. Weird.

Lamar's value is never going to be captured entirely by statistics/yardage. He makes plays no other QB ever has (including Mahomes), and he elevates the play of everyone around him. You don't have to take my word for it; that's literally why he's the 2x MVP, because those things become clear if you watch him game over game.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

This thread has gone full blown AIDS. My goodness

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

Lamar's value is never going to be captured entirely by statistics/yardage. He makes plays no other QB ever has (including Mahomes), and he elevates the play of everyone around him. You don't have to take my word for it; that's literally why he's the 2x MVP, because those things become clear if you watch him game over game.

I dunno, Baltimore found a way to win games without him last year. Harbaugh does a great job and the GM does a great job. They have a great defense, which has nothing to do with the QB. They had a great defense 20 years ago, long before Lamar ever showed up. Harbaugh and the current GM have done a great job continuing the tradition of strong defense in Baltimore going back 2 decades. But then I think about this one...

The other day the TV guys had a stat about the Pittsburgh Steelers. 90% losing rate when TJ Watt misses games with injury. That's insane right there, especially for a defensive player to have that type of impact on a team's ability to win games. You go from a team with a solid record to losing 90% of your games from one pass rusher going down? That's wild.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

Lamar's value is never going to be captured entirely by statistics/yardage. He makes plays no other QB ever has (including Mahomes), and he elevates the play of everyone around him. You don't have to take my word for it; that's literally why he's the 2x MVP, because those things become clear if you watch him game over game.

I've seen him play plenty.

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

they. never. learn.

Most of them most have been reacting to the false narrative that PM II's lucky underwear were stolen. My 2nd cousin's housekeeper knows Mahomes' personal chef. She was told that the rumor is definitely FALSE. All is good. Betting large on this one.

[OneWinningDrive]

Originally Posted by DRM08

I dunno, Baltimore found a way to win games without him last year. Harbaugh does a great job and the GM does a great job. They have a great defense, which has nothing to do with the QB. They had a great defense 20 years ago, long before Lamar ever showed up. Harbaugh and the current GM have done a great job continuing the tradition of strong defense in Baltimore going back 2 decades. But then I think about this one...

The other day the TV guys had a stat about the Pittsburgh Steelers. 90% losing rate when TJ Watt misses games with injury. That's insane right there, especially for a defensive player to have that type of impact on a team's ability to win games. You go from a team with a solid record to losing 90% of your games from one pass rusher going down? That's wild.

The defense and just overall roster quality have always been there for sure. And if they didn't have Lamar, they would still be good with a different system. But this current version of the Ravens has been built around Lamar and is dysfunctional without him. I actually think that's the best argument for why he's the MVP. It's not a statistical argument so much as he is indispensable to his team and propels them to (regular season thus far) success.

In 2021, they were 8-3 and the one seed until Lamar got hurt, and then they lost their final six games to miss the playoffs. In 2022, 9-4 until Lamar got hurt. They remain competitive with Huntley because he can run the same offense and the rest of the roster/coaching staff is very good, but Lamar makes it all go.

Here's a way to think about it. Take Brock Purdy. He put up big numbers on the 49ers. Now put him on the Ravens. Are the Ravens even remotely as good as they are now with him throwing to Zay Flowers/Bateman/Likely instead of Aiyuk/Deebo/Kittle and having a backfield with Gus Edwards instead of McAffrey?

[OneWinningDrive]

Originally Posted by philfree

I've seen him play plenty.

Then you should know that simply looking at the box score or adding up his season totals for passing yards doesn't capture how he affects the games.