Let's Talk About Baltimore (AFC Championship)

[SHOWTIME]

Headed back to the AFC Championship Game!!!! Discuss.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Ravens fans realize that the Chiefs typically only lose when they beat themselves. They do realize that right? There's your "hope". Also, nuclear Pat shreds ANY defense. Just look at his record against "number 1" defenses

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Whogotitbetter

The thing about that game is that lamar literally outplayed stafford through the air , and stafford has a strong arm, and ontop of top lamar is more mobile then pat, so it makes it more difficult to defend him.

Rams secondary is pure garbage

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

But the thing is that Lamar is in the elite/HOF category. Two MVPs earns that classification whether people here want to admit it or not. To say that he's not in that category because he hasn't yet won a SB is circular reasoning given that what we're trying to prove is what level of QB you need to win a SB in the first place.

I personally think he has BECOME elite...it seems experience and the continuity of the Harbaugh regime has helped him riase to a level beyond first MVP year(s). I see a calmer QB that is more accurate than in the past and one who is making much better reads and thinking "run" as last resort, but can still kill you when they call his number. If anyone is slow on Jackson's performance level, it is likely due to his non-traditional style, or a bias consistent with watching every PM game he's ever played, and seeing the Ravens a few times a year...that said, LJ REALLY needs to win this game and have a good SB to cement the "top tier" claim!

Good lord you guys are delusional

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Whogotitbetter

The thing about that game is that lamar literally outplayed stafford through the air , and stafford has a strong arm, and ontop of top lamar is more mobile then pat, so it makes it more difficult to defend him.

Sure, he may have slightly - but that Rams defense and back end in particular is not the Chiefs. This defense is particularly great at preventing those explosives. Just ask Josh Allen.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Josh Allen is a better QB than Lamar....PERIOD

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Whogotitbetter

The thing about that game is that lamar literally outplayed stafford through the air , and stafford has a strong arm, and ontop of top lamar is more mobile then pat, so it makes it more difficult to defend him.

That’s a take.

I disagree with it. Jackson threw a pick and wasn’t as consistent or accurate.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

That’s a take.

I disagree with it. Jackson threw a pick and wasn’t as consistent or accurate.

Yeah… the more I think on it, Stafford was easily better when you consider who they each were going up against too.

[OneWinningDrive]

Originally Posted by RedinTexas

I wanted to go back and address this comment. The NFL may say your franchise history only goes back to when the team arrived in Baltimore, but the reality is different. The Ravens are the former Cleveland Browns. They arrived in Baltimore as a fully formed franchise and hit the ground running. That is vastly different from putting together an expansion team from scratch, so let's stop pretending the Ravens franchise records only begin with the arrival in Baltimore.

It very much only begins with the arrival in Baltimore. Unlike the Irsays who stole the Baltimore Colts' logos, colors, and records when they left in the middle of the night to run away to Indianapolis, Cleveland got to keep its history. The Ravens don't celebrate Jim Brown. There's no connection whatsoever between the Ravens and the old Browns. Cleveland continues to commemorate the old Browns.

The Ravens claim Baltimore Colts history even if the NFL officially recognizes the Colts history as continuous and Indy pretends like its theirs. Johnny Unitas and most of the Baltimore Colts never attended celebrations linked with Indianapolis. An example: Lenny Moore was a RB for the Baltimore Colts and won an MVP and two NFL titles in the 50/60s. He's in the Baltimore Ravens Ring of Honor and was put on the big screen at the Ravens/Texans game this past weekend to pump up the crowd. The Ravens are more Baltimore Colts than they are Cleveland Browns.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother

Josh Allen is a better QB than Lamar....PERIOD

I dunno. I'm kinda the other way now

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

I dunno. I'm kinda the other way now

[StalkRavenMad]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

You continue to make my point for me. It took Kelce nearly the entire season, one could argue the entire regular season, to get back to normal. Setting aside the fact that Kelce still out gained Andrews and Likely combined, my point remains that even that great chemistry takes time to rekindle when not on the field together. See Kelce game 1 (for him) and the aforementioned 4 for 26. You could even argue, although I won't here, that Jackson has been flirting with another (Likely) for over two months now. Mahomes went 1 game without Kelce, so there was no connection lost.

Look man, Mark Andrews is a great player. I'm sure next year, he will be back to being a beast. Two TE sets in 2024 are gonna be a thing for you guys. But he's not gonna do shit this weekend. Which is fine, Likely is a good player. We will definitely have to account for him. But the threat of Andrews is not going to have anywhere near the effect you think it will. And, if only for this weekend, Shannahan, Campbell and especially Harbaugh would throw their guys off a bridge for Kelce (assuming you could transmute chemistry and playbook knowledge). I can't take anyone seriously who would say otherwise.

only on Plantet Chiefs. Shanahan ain't trading Kittle for 34 year old Kelce thus week neither is Campbell and Harbaugh would pass also given that Lamar and Andrews has this uncanny connection. I think your going to be surprised.

I'll take you up on your bet. If Mark Andrews has 1 TD, 5 catches, 2 chain moving catches, OR 50+ yards you change your user name to Lamar is Better Than Mahomes. If he doesnt ill change my user name to Kelce is greater than Andrews.

[OneWinningDrive]

If you still don't believe in Lamar as a passer or his ability to come back when the team is trailing, watch the end of the Rams game. The whole drive, but especially the touchdown pass and two-point conversion, are as good as it gets from a pure situational passing perspective.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by O.city

I dunno. I'm kinda the other way now

If we play the identical game to Baltimore that we did to Buffalo the final would be 31-9.

The Bills TD's required Allen to make superior, elite, throws that Jackson can't make at all.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

If you still don't believe in Lamar as a passer or his ability to come back when the team is trailing, watch the end of the Rams game. The whole drive, but especially the touchdown pass and two-point conversion, are as good as it gets from a pure situational passing perspective.

None of this changes that he doesn't have a strong arm and on top of that he has a weird release that isn't repeatable when defenses give him issues.

[FloridaMan88]

Ravens fans clearly have a low standard for greatness.

Calling Mark Andrews and his connection with Lamar “great”. Hilarious.

“Greatness” isn’t defined in September… it shows up in the playoffs/Super Bowl.

And currently that “special” Lamar/Mark Andrews connection has exactly one playoff win.