Let's Talk About Baltimore (AFC Championship)

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Headed back to the AFC Championship Game!!!! Discuss.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad

TDs 5 Kelce in 17 games to 6 MAndrews I'm 10 games.

You've already been corrected on this several times. Kelce played 15 regular season games this year.

Either quit being obtuse or learn to ****ing read. One or the other. Your pick.

[StalkRavenMad]

Originally Posted by digger

In case you didn't know that said Most yards I'm CHIEFS history. Not sure that says anything about Andrews. Only on Planet Chiefs only on Planet Chiefs.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad

In case you didn't know that said Most yards I'm CHIEFS history. Not sure that says anything about Andrews. Only on Planet Chiefs only on Planet Chiefs.

Kelce is second in most receiving yards in playoff history, only behind Jerry Rice.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

Sure, I can accept that having an elite/HOF category QB makes winning a SB easier in the absence of a historically great team otherwise. But the thing is that Lamar is in the elite/HOF category. Two MVPs earns that classification whether people here want to admit it or not. To say that he's not in that category because he hasn't yet won a SB is circular reasoning given that what we're trying to prove is what level of QB you need to win a SB in the first place.

So both teams have that level of QB. No Ravens fan would deny that about the Chiefs, but seemingly every Chiefs fan would deny that about the Ravens. From my view, if they're both in that elite/HOF category, then it's worth looking beyond that to the rest of the rosters. But we never get there because everything devolves to Mahomes > Lamar.

I think there has been discussion about other position groups. I'm happy to go there.

QB: Chiefs
RB: Chiefs (assuming Pacheco plays)
WR: Ravens
TE: Chiefs
OL: Push (Ravens better at T, Chiefs better at IOL, good overall units)

DL: Chiefs
LB: Ravens
CB: Chiefs
S: Ravens

K: Slight edge Ravens (both excellent)
P: Chiefs

What I think is being missed outside Kansas City is how good the Chiefs' defense is. There's some talk about it, sure, but many are still overlooking it and looking at the Ravens' flashy, blowout wins instead. The Miami blowout particularly seems to garner a lot of credit, despite the Chiefs' essentially giving up in 2 games (against healthier versions of the Miami offense) what the Ravens gave up in one game. There is a perception the Ravens D is on a different tier from the Chiefs, and I think that's wrong/off.

The Chiefs defense is better than any D the Ravens have played this year. (Same can be said of the Ravens re: the Chiefs).

So then you're on to comparing the offenses and what they can do versus the opponents defense. And that's where the QB comparison discussion really takes hold, because it starts with elite Ds and how they handle QBs.

The Chiefs' offense has been held back LESS by its WR room talent level and more by penalties and drops. The scheme is still strong, and Mahomes is still performing at the highest level (Christmas Day game being a notable exception).

If KC's receiving targets catch the ball and the team avoids high penalty counts again, the Chiefs' offense adds the efficiency back and becomes damn difficult to stop, again.

The Ravens are a really good team. I don't think they're the unstoppable juggernaut superteam that DVOA would suggest they are (as we've discussed). And we've all watched the Chiefs and Mahomes dismantle #1 defenses they're not supposed to be able to handle repeatedly since he took the QB1 role, so... we're confident.

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Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad

In case you didn't know that said Most yards I'm CHIEFS history. Not sure that says anything about Andrews. Only on Planet Chiefs only on Planet Chiefs.

You'll have to do your own home work...

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad

In case you didn't know that said Most yards I'm CHIEFS history. Not sure that says anything about Andrews. Only on Planet Chiefs only on Planet Chiefs.

Mark Andrews would be like 5th all time… at best… in the pantheon of Chiefs TE’s.

Kelce and Tony G head and shoulders above him.

Andrews would be in the Tony Moeaki/Keith Cash kiddie pool.

[RedinTexas]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

Obviously? The Ravens are factually not an expansion franchise. You're not saying anything by pointing that out. So if it makes you feel better to highlight that in 1996 the coaching staff and front office at that time that is constantly turned over as is the nature in the NFL relocated from Cleveland to Baltimore, have a ball, buddy.

But you were making it out that the Ravens records don't start when they moved. And they very much do. The Browns' records, colors, logos, and history stayed in Cleveland. There's no connection.

No, you're misrepresenting my comments. My comments are solely intended to point out that comparing the Ravens franchise history to the history of any other team in the NFL is like comparing apples and oranges. Your all-time winning percentage is heavily skewed by the fact that you have a start date that is nothing more than your moving date. it allows the Ravens to compare their all-time winning percentage to others while using an artificial timeline.

You referenced the entirety of your franchise history in the comment that I originally referenced. I am merely pointing out that such a comment is heavily biased by the fact that you're not a normal franchise.

[OneWinningDrive]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

No one nationally cares about the Pittsburgh-Baltimore rivalry.

It hasn’t been relevant since Rapelithsberger became a broke dick/retired.

Wanna know who cares about it? The Steelers. And the Ravens. It's the realest rivalry the NFL has. And built on mutual respect. Something I'm not quite sure is possible as between the Chiefs and anyone else.

[StalkRavenMad]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother

Yup. He looks like a ****ing JAG after watching Kelce every week. Likely is a fluke joke too

I'm getting it now on Planet Chief nothingnwlse matters but Planet Chief. Got it now.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

Wanna know who cares about it? The Steelers. And the Ravens. It's the realest rivalry the NFL has. And built on mutual respect. Something I'm not quite sure is possible as between the Chiefs and anyone else.

The fact the Steelers and Baltimore care about it doesn’t make it a nationally relevant rivalry.

Try again.

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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

Wanna know who cares about it? The Steelers. And the Ravens. It's the realest rivalry the NFL has. And built on mutual respect. Something I'm not quite sure is possible as between the Chiefs and anyone else.

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-s-best-...belichick-and-


I know that this is old (2021) but your rivalry isn't even listed...

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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

Wanna know who cares about it? The Steelers. And the Ravens. It's the realest rivalry the NFL has. And built on mutual respect. Something I'm not quite sure is possible as between the Chiefs and anyone else.

bubble boy

[StalkRavenMad]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

You're denying the power of the "playing with house money" mindset in sports?

Christ, your ****ing team has never won jack shit without taking that very mindset to its championship and Super Bowls.

Where was your conviction back then, asshole?

There is no team that is playing this laye on the season that feels like they are playing with House money. In 2000 we weren't playing with House Money we were he'll bent on proving we were the best defense ever and the only way to do that is win a SB. In 2012 we were he'll bent on sending Ray Lewis out on top and they o lt way to do that is to won the SB.

If you are as great as you say you are and Mahomes wants to be the GOAT. He's going to need more SBs. 7- 2 won't do it.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

Separately, you've got the wrong franchise if you're going to act like all Ravens fans know is regular season succes. The Ravens have the second most road playoff wins of all time behind only the Cowboys and Packers who are tied with one more win. That in less than 30 years of existing. This franchise knows postseason success.

Yeah, that's why it's so strange ya'll are here trying so hard to convince us the Ravens are amazing because of regular season MVPs and DVOA.... I would have guessed the bar was set higher for the franchise.

I get it for say Bengals fans, who went from one of the worst franchises ever to being in AFCCG/SBs, or Bills fans who spent 20 years looking up at Brady..... you go from 5-win seasons to the playoffs and you think the hard part is over and all playoff teams are basically the same.

Hell, we did it as Chiefs fans for decades.... "just get into the playoffs and anything can happen!"... and then demanding respect because they finally won a WC game.

I'd think a franchise who's had the full range of great regular season/one and done, Super Bowl victories, etc; wouldn't so loudly count their eggs before they're hatched.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad

There is no team that is playing this laye on the season that feels like they are playing with House money. In 2000 we weren't playing with House Money we were he'll bent on proving we were the best defense ever and the only way to do that is win a SB. In 2012 we were he'll bent on sending Ray Lewis out on top and they o lt way to do that is to won the SB.

If you are as great as you say you are and Mahomes wants to be the GOAT. He's going to need more SBs. 7- 2 won't do it.

Two people have the most pressure on them this weekend… Kyle Shanahan and Lamar.

They are currently defined by their past postseason failures.

They have #1 seeded teams that are home favorites.

We know that Lamar has usually choked under that pressure.