Let's Talk About Baltimore (AFC Championship)

[SHOWTIME]

Headed back to the AFC Championship Game!!!! Discuss.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

I'm guessing done. Non contact injury, maybe a patella or spraind torn ACL... I hope not.

Felix gonna come up big after all. Glad we drafted him. We honestly could have used him today, DL was gassed.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

Do you watch film on Lamar? And even if you do, what qualifications do you have to appraise what you're looking at? If you ask literally any professional analyst, they'll tell you that Lamar does know how to read a defense. So why should I take your word for it if you don't watch film on him and even if you do you don't know what you're looking at?

Just purely based on logic, if Lamar didn't know how to read a defense, he wouldn't be in the NFL. If all it took to play quarterback was being a supremely gifted athlete and throwing a slant/flant, there would be far more athletic players at the position than a guy who is 6'2", 216 lbs., and runs a 4.4. That's not an athletic marvel. Which is where the whole "savant" thing comes in as much as people here want to laugh at it.

There are certain guys i like to watch, whom i trust when it comes to analyzing QBs. JT O'Sullivan and Kurt Warner have YT channels where they break games down, after the fact, in a purely Xs and Os way. Positive and negative. That kind of "film" is more beneficial for the average fan than anything anyone says in a pregame show or a segment format show, like GMF or NFL Live. Most of those shows and especially the networks want viewers to stay tuned so they're going to pimp the lesser team/player for viewership/ads reasons. But even with guys like JT and Kurt, i don't take what they say and run with it. Yes, i do watch a lot of Bengals game All 22s and if there's a game like an AFCCG coming up, i'll watch specific things simply so i'm educated on what i'm saying. I've been an NFL fan for 46 years now so i've seen a lot of ball. I've seen guys to it right and i've seen guys do it wrong. While some may agree or disagree, i consider myself a student of the game because i do more than just watch what happens. I look for why it happened.

Reading a defense is much more nuanced than your average fan understands, so when i say he can't read a defense it's mostly because if i type a lot of words like i am now, most people are going to gloss over it. He wouldn't be an NFL QB if he 'couldn't read a defense'. To be more specific, if compared to guys like Mahomes, Burrow, Purdy (a lot of people aren't gonna like that one), Manning, Brees, etc., Jackson doesn't do it like they do it. He doesn't read the defense pre-snap, then based on his keys post-snap, safeties rotating, linebacker dropping, corner's coming up to press, throw to a spot that's been vacated, based on what he believes will be the case. He doesn't use his eyes to hold or manipulate a defender. Now...when i say he doesn't, i don't mean he never has. He just does it very rarely. You can find a lot of average QBs who are the same, but they don't have his athletic ability so they end up being looked at as average pocket QBs. When you combine his numbers with his TTT, you can easily see that it's a product of him simply having the time to wait for an NFL WR to find an open spot in a defense.

Lamar has a very specific skill set and he uses that to his and his team's advantage, so it's very fair to say he's a "top QB" because top QBs are guys that win games. What divides the top QBs and the elite QBs are when they win under the most pressure. That's always prime time, late season for playoff spots and the playoffs/SB. When guys succeed in those areas consistently, they're considered elite. It's irrefutable that lamar has come up short in the playoffs.



tl;dr Lamar will get you a lot of wins but he will continue to come up short in the post season because he's very athletically gifted but the teams you meet in the playoffs are always the best teams that are left. There have been plenty of athletically gifted guys play QB but none of them were/are as elusive and as strong as Lamar to avoid sacks and being tackled in the open field.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15

HOW'S OMENIHU?????

He said he's playing during the post-game.

[wachashi]

I thought Lamar had the blitz all figured out after halftime against the Texans? What happened?

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

Definitely. Even worse, six carries to the running backs. Six! It really hurt us not having Mitchell/Dobbins today. But even still, this Ravens team has been the best running team in the history of football over the Lamar era with a hodgepodge of RBs. Monken was brought in to diversify the system and add more passing, but it went way too far to the other extreme. I'm not sure I saw a single RPO today, which is absolutely insane given that that's what Lamar does. And no answer for the blitz, which is inexcusable.

The Chiefs deserve credit for this. I actually think the Chiefs' offense did a lot to help the defense. No one gets an early lead against the Ravens. I think this was the first time Lamar had been down by 10 since 2021. The Chiefs being so lights out in their first two drives meant the Ravens felt pressured to adjust their gameplan to pass more than they already were this year, which squeezed out the run entirely. And then your d-line outperformed expectations. Great gameplan by KC.

It’s amazing when you think about how much KC influences how other team’s game plans. This isn’t the first time we have seen a team adjust from what worked for them all year. It rarely works in their favor, yet they do it anyways.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He said he's playing during the post-game.

Great to hear. KC has a lot of guys who need the 2 weeks of rest. Omenihu, Thuney, Gay, Pacheco, Rice, Bolton, McDuffie, Sneed, probably Jones & Kelce as well. Bring on the resting days!

[PHOG]

10:56 of the 2nd qtr this game was won, talk about some smash in your face chit.....

[UteChief]

@rfaulk34 care to post a link to one of JT’s or Warners YT channel? If not, I’ll google.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

No disagreement. The interesting part is that Lamar had a significantly lower interception rate than Mahomes this year. Lamar isn't Josh Allen whatsoever; he was fourth in the league and protects the ball. You rarely see the strip sack too. Both of those things tell you he was pressing. Part of that might be pressure or whatever; who knows. But what I can say is getting out to an early lead against the Ravens is very rare and puts them in positions they almost never play in. I feel like the Chiefs knew that and went hard at the very beginning on script to establish that dynamic.

It was pressure. Baltimore had to win this game, they needed to win it and they weren’t going to win it unless Lamar out dueled Mahomes. He was trying to do that and that opened him up to mistakes.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

You're kidding right. Our missed 4th down conversion. Kelce coming up itches short on the third down. The dropped Bolton interception. Are you ****ing kidding me?

Just like his bragging about DVOA all week. Homer glasses.

[FloridaMan88]

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

MVP! MVP!

[PHOG]

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive

I'll pick ignore and literally never read a single one of your posts again. Go ahead and leave me more negative reputation even though I'm coming back after a loss and discussing the game on the merits, I bet it makes you feel real powerful.

Little salty here aren't you?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by PHOG

Little salty here aren't you?

Dude has like the entire thread on ignore.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Ming the Merciless

brain dead? you thought Lamar Jackson was going to defeat Patrick Mahomes II .
Then you made an account here to make a bunch of posts and argue about it. Now you're back here making up excuses as to why you need to simp for a bunch of ravens fans.

face it you're the brain dead one

or

you're in love with Chiefsplanet


pick one

You mean THIS post?