***2024 NFL Combine Thread***

[RunKC]

Bout that time fellas. Post all things combine related

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by Chargem

The only guaranteed "big time" receivers are the top 3 that are well out of the Chiefs reach. The pain of trading up from 32 to the top ~9 to get one of those 3 negates the benefit of the cost control you are getting on that guy pretty significantly.



I would be fine with a small trade up, but outside the top 3 (Harrison, Nabers, Odunze), I just don't think there are any guarantees that the guy is "big time". I am not even convinced a trade up increases the chances of getting an elite guy, this draft has "pro bowler who went at the back of the 2nd round" written all over it.



I also wasn't agreeing with Clay that we should take a tackle instead, I was agreeing with Staylor, you don't want to be locked in on "we have to get X in the first round".



No one is arguing that the offense / receiving core does not need to get better. But a competent veteran and a 2nd round WR would still be a pretty decent leap forward from last years offense, the team does not "need" a Jefferson to continue the current success.

Brian Thomas Jr. is a big time receiver.

Franklin is a little less so.

Same with Worthy.

With Mahomes, they would all be great. If Veach said he traded 3 first round pics for Harrison Jr. I wouldn't even be upset.

Any receiver can be Skyy Moore. Especially if they are taken in rounds 2 thru infinity. 1st round picks can be busts too, but why take a chance on Skyy Moore again? If we strike out, at least we went big.

Marty needed a QB desperately, but he and Peterson were afraid of a bust, so they drafted the Croyles and Blundins of the world. Look what happened when we finally took a chance on a kid who couldn't win in college.

Don't be a Carl.

[JPH83]

I reckon there's a good chance Franklin, Worthy and Mitchell are all gone without trading up a little. The guy I'm sort of curious about is Tez Walker. Big, fast, good body control, but the Senior Bowl was rough. Probably the only guy I could see at 32 that has elite physical gifts. Probably too much of a gamble for me. After that there's a big collection of guys I like a lot but I think are a step below athletically.

[Womble]

Originally Posted by Danguardace

WRs put on a show yesterday nobody is gonna let the Pat and the Chiefs have any of them lol

Franklin playing 4d chess by putting in a sluggish Gauntlet to ensure he falls to the Chiefs.

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

Brian Thomas Jr. is a big time receiver.

Franklin is a little less so.

Same with Worthy.

With Mahomes, they would all be great. If Veach said he traded 3 first round pics for Harrison Jr. I wouldn't even be upset.

I would say Harrison for 3 first round picks almost certainly makes the team worse in the long run (e.g. after this coming year), and I am not even sure that deal would get us high enough to get Harrison.

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

Any receiver can be Skyy Moore. Especially if they are taken in rounds 2 thru infinity. 1st round picks can be busts too, but why take a chance on Skyy Moore again? If we strike out, at least we went big.

Your argument doesn't really make any sense here. Any back of the 2nd round WR could be DK, any 3rd round pick could be Mclaurin. No one is suggesting getting another Skyy Moore?! A 2nd round receiver this year has a good chance to be a BETTER prospect than Rashee Rice, because of how stacked this draft is. Does that really sound so terrible?

I just don't see the need to take a big swing. A solid double at WR is fine, we don't need the home run. Moving up a few spots, taking a receiver at 32, taking a receiver in the 2nd... they are all viable options depending how the board falls.

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

Marty needed a QB desperately, but he and Peterson were afraid of a bust, so they drafted the Croyles and Blundins of the world. Look what happened when we finally took a chance on a kid who couldn't win in college.

Don't be a Carl.

This analogy just does not apply here, at all. QB is a different position to WR and the team was in a different place back then. You had nothing to lose, taking a big risk on a QB, because you had never had success. Now you have massive, practically unprecedented success. You don't need to take big risks to get over the hump. The hump is miles behind, you can't even see it in the rear view anymore.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Originally Posted by JPH83

I reckon there's a good chance Franklin, Worthy and Mitchell are all gone without trading up a little. The guy I'm sort of curious about is Tez Walker. Big, fast, good body control, but the Senior Bowl was rough. Probably the only guy I could see at 32 that has elite physical gifts. Probably too much of a gamble for me. After that there's a big collection of guys I like a lot but I think are a step below athletically.

There's at least four or so WR's rated above those guys (depending on what draft board you use, I use PFF). I don't see many mocks that have 7-8 receivers going in the first. If that's the case we could see a guy from a different position slip through the cracks. A durable high end pass blocking OT would be awesome at 32. (You can't really expect a complete OT at 32.)

[ForeverIowan]

Find a way to get Brian Thomas Jr, Adonai Mitchell or Xavier Worthy and I am good. I could see all three turning into absolute superstars here. I understand the positives and negatives of each. Intrigued by Ladd McConkey as well. Think he could be a damn fine pkayer just dont think he has Jamarr Chase/Justin Jefferson superstar type potential.

[In58men]

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[Dunerdr]

I could see us taking tackle at 1 if the board falls. Then moving up in 2 again for a Ladd. Simone who just knows where to be. That was half the battle last year.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by JPH83

I reckon there's a good chance Franklin, Worthy and Mitchell are all gone without trading up a little. The guy I'm sort of curious about is Tez Walker. Big, fast, good body control, but the Senior Bowl was rough. Probably the only guy I could see at 32 that has elite physical gifts. Probably too much of a gamble for me. After that there's a big collection of guys I like a lot but I think are a step below athletically.

Walker is a straight line kinda receiver. Basically he is MVS with better hands. I mean, he isn't exactly MVS, because he is younger, not as tall, but my personal opinion is right now he is limited by the types of routes he can run. We could definitely coach him up, but he is going to get drafted way above his actual skill because of his speed.

Maybe I am off base, but he isn't worth a 2nd round pick, but that 40 time is going to influence a lot of GMs.

Yes, he absolutely could end up being amazing, but we need help now, and not at some point in the future.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

I could see us taking tackle at 1 if the board falls. Then moving up in 2 again for a Ladd. Simone who just knows where to be. That was half the battle last year.

I want a receiver, but the talent at the top of the draft makes the middle and bottom of the draft seem a lot better than it is. A rising tide lifts all boats.

There are only a few WRs that I feel like would be acceptable in the 2nd, and after the combine they will either be 1st round picks, or if they are 2nd round picks, they will be gone well before we pick.

Those were Worthy, Legette, McConkey. I was really high on Legette in the second, because SC lists him as 6'4" so it was very disappointing to see he wasn't even close, and with his size, return ability, and running a sub 4.4, he is a borderline first round pick.

Worthy. 4.21. He will probably be a 1st rounder now, but has no shot of getting to us in the second.

I wanted McConkey because I felt like he is the route runner that would compliment Rice, and he has championship experience, very reliable, etc. but again, that 40 time means we have no shot in the second.

So, now the better second round guys are probably gone before we pick, meaning to draft a WR in the second round is now, more than likely, really drafting a 3rd or 4th round receiver way too early because we just wanna get one before they are gone.

While I want a WR in the 1st round, and we we really need a WR, I am also thinking about the future. Kelce is playing next year. If we don't win the SB, there is a very good chance Kelce retires. Getting a player like Jefferson or Chase (That is what Brian Thomas Jr. is, but had Nabers on his team) and getting them acclimated to how to play for the Chiefs will lessen the loss of Kelce's production.

Maybe Coleman's terrible 40 will cause him to drop, and we snag him at 32, but I doubt it.

[bigjosh]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

I want a receiver, but the talent at the top of the draft makes the middle and bottom of the draft seem a lot better than it is. A rising tide lifts all boats.

There are only a few WRs that I feel like would be acceptable in the 2nd, and after the combine they will either be 1st round picks, or if they are 2nd round picks, they will be gone well before we pick.

Those were Worthy, Legette, McConkey. I was really high on Legette in the second, because SC lists him as 6'4" so it was very disappointing to see he wasn't even close, and with his size, return ability, and running a sub 4.4, he is a borderline first round pick.

Worthy. 4.21. He will probably be a 1st rounder now, but has no shot of getting to us in the second.

I wanted McConkey because I felt like he is the route runner that would compliment Rice, and he has championship experience, very reliable, etc. but again, that 40 time means we have no shot in the second.

So, now the better second round guys are probably gone before we pick, meaning to draft a WR in the second round is now, more than likely, really drafting a 3rd or 4th round receiver way too early because we just wanna get one before they are gone.

While I want a WR in the 1st round, and we we really need a WR, I am also thinking about the future. Kelce is playing next year. If we don't win the SB, there is a very good chance Kelce retires. Getting a player like Jefferson or Chase (That is what Brian Thomas Jr. is, but had Nabers on his team) and getting them acclimated to how to play for the Chiefs will lessen the loss of Kelce's production.

Maybe Coleman's terrible 40 will cause him to drop, and we snag him at 32, but I doubt it.

Taking one of your “2nd round” guys at 32 isnt a reach when it is the last pick of the first round.

5 years of cost control on a potentially great receiver is way more valuable than waiting until the second just so you can use other assets to trade up


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[nychief]

We are going to address wideout in free agency and free up options for the draft.

[RunKC]

Love that they started tracking speed in the gauntlet to provide more clarity. In previous years people would not want Keon Coleman bc he ran a 4.6 but he was blazing in real football situations like this.

Keon Coleman is an interesting eval. Big, playmaking WR who won’t turn 21 until May. If he slides to back of Round 2 in rookie drafts bc of his 40 time, sign me up. pic.twitter.com/LedFPKGeNq

— Kyle Lindemann (@LuckIsMadeFF) March 3, 2024

Keon Coleman propaganda:

Play speed vs timed speed:

Coleman ran 4.6, Franklin 4.4, but Coleman was averaging like 5mph more on the gauntlet run. pic.twitter.com/SKgO9q4oWU

— Sam Monson (@PFF_Sam) March 2, 2024

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Troy Franklin's stock appears to have fallen with the spike of interest in Worthy.

[bigjosh]

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15

Troy Franklin's stock appears to have fallen with the spike of interest in Worthy.

I dont think there is a chance worthy is there at 32 after that testing.


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