Veach vindicated in Sneed trade

[JohnnyV13]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ue-quad-injury

Apparently, Sneed missed the last game and will miss the next game due to a quad injury. Sneed was terrific last season while performing despite injury concerns. Given the status of his knee, a big contract was a bad investment. Further, the ability to draft and develop DBs played a huge role in his decision-making.

Jaylen Watson was doing a great job replacing Sneed. While McDuffie was the one taking over the no. 1 corner job, it was Watson who moved into the lineup with Sneed's absence. Watson was a well above average corner before getting injured. Imagine the Chiefs cap situation if they tried to fit a deal for Sneed.

Would signing Trey Smith and Creed Humphry to extensions have been possible? I also doubt the CHiefs would now have the flexibility to add Hopkins. They had to get Tennessee to eat a lot of contract as it is. I think the Chiefs would have to have performed serious cap contortions to address the WR room if they had signed Sneed.

[Chief Roundup]

Veach did not need vindication. He did the right thing and any reasonable person knew it.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

Not going to go thru the whole thread....but are there really people in here going to bat for Dorsey?

Trying to compare what Veach has done to build a 3 time Super Bowl winner (back to back for 2 of them) to what Dorsey did here is silly.

It’s not beach vs Dorsey. Just some clowns trying to take credit away from Dorsey. Someone said he doesn’t get credit for kelce Andy does because he knew him years before the draft. And regardless of the revisionist history Mahomes is a Dorsey pick. Idgaf what the story says about Veach pouring the table for him. There’s a scout in every round pushing for his guy and scouts taking Andy film all the time. It’s called the off season.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by TEX

Of course not now. But my premise was tha had he stayed in Kansas City, instead of getting in trouble and being kicked off the team, he would have had the numbers and the hardware to be considered. That was my point.

I think Kareem would have been a salary cap casualty. He would have wanted above $10M per year and the Chiefs would not be able to pay him. He would have been gone after the 2020 season.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by TEX

IMO there's a decent chance that Hunt gets in also, IF he would not have gotten in trouble and never left KC. Not 1st ballot, but if he stayed healthy, he'd have the numbers and hardware.

I don’t think there’s much chance we would’ve resigned an expensive RB to a second contract, Hunt or not.

[jjchieffan]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

Not going to go thru the whole thread....but are there really people in here going to bat for Dorsey?

Trying to compare what Veach has done to build a 3 time Super Bowl winner (back to back for 2 of them) to what Dorsey did here is silly.

It's not like anyone is saying that we should have kept Dorsey or anything like that. Just acknowledging the fact that the core of this team, Mahomes, Jones, Kelce and until the trade, Hill, were all Dorsey draft picks and are all headed to the hall of fame. It's okay to acknowledge that without saying that he's somehow the better GM and we should have kept him. Veach is the man! He took the roster to the next level after Dorsey rebuilt it from the ashes. We are all grateful for Veach and what he has accomplished.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by loochy

I don't .I really don't believe that a team gives another team "a deal". The deal is either valuable and acceptable by both teams or it isn't. I think teams solely look at the profit side of trades and not "helping buddy out" kind of stuff .

Think of it more as a "I'll concede a little here, just remember it down the road".

Sets up for a good working relationship.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

It’s not beach vs Dorsey. Just some clowns trying to take credit away from Dorsey. Someone said he doesn’t get credit for kelce Andy does because he knew him years before the draft. And regardless of the revisionist history Mahomes is a Dorsey pick. Idgaf what the story says about Veach pouring the table for him. There’s a scout in every round pushing for his guy and scouts taking Andy film all the time. It’s called the off season.

Kind of sounds like you are the impassioned supporter of Dorsey....while I would agree that his picks of Jones, Kelce and shared credit with Veach on Mahomes set the groundwork for our success we have had over the past years.

But I don't see anyone mentioning his poor cap management skills....that has always been one thing that has been a knock on him wherever he went.

No one will ever convince me that we would have the team now that we do if Dorsey was still here. And...IMO I doubt Dorsey would have had the stones to trade Hill like Veach did.

[KCJake]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Veach did not need vindication. He did the right thing and any reasonable person knew it.

It came down to Chris Jones or Sneed. My argument at the time was, keep Sneed. Let Jones go and save 10 million dollars a season. Sneed was coming off one of the greatest seasons I've ever seen from a defensive back. Him and McDuffie give Spags the ability to blitz on every 3rd down. Chris Jones was fresh off a hostage style holdout, and I was a little bitter. Looking back, Sneed seems broken down and Jones is playing lights out like he always has. Veach make the right call. He usually does.

[Gary Cooper]

I don't know what the Titans were thinking making this move. A rebuilding team trading picks for expensive free agent CBs makes little sense.

[jjchieffan]

The Titans weren't thinking rebuild. They thought that Will Levis was something better than he is. They were improving the defense to support him. But Levis sucks, so now they're realizing that it's time for a rebuild.

[BossChief]

Veach has drafted guys that are likely on a HOF trajectory

Creed has been the leagues top center since he stepped on the field
Mcduffie has been an all pro since day 1
Rice was absolutely entering that path before the fluke


Even apart from those home runs, look what he’s done in rounds 4-7 during his time here

Allegreti
Fenton
Danna
Sneed
Trey
Noah
Pacheco
Nazeh
Watson
Williams
Hicks
Chamari


That’s a load of talent that would be redrafted much higher than original position and IMO that’s arguably just as important as the drafted HOFers convo. I’d bet real money that no other GM in the history of the sport has produced as much with late round picks.

He also operates the team with minimal amounts of dead cap because he makes great decisions on who to extend and who to trade or let walk.

Letting Sneed go hurt, but it’s already being shown as the right decision, even when most of CP wanted to keep him and were pissed at only getting a 3rd for him.

[kcbubb]

https://www.profootballrumors.com/20...atham-restrepo

The Titans’ investment in former Chiefs cornerback L’Jarius Sneed really failed to deliver dividends in 2024. After sending a third-round pick to Kansas City for the 28-year-old defender, Tennessee only saw five games out of Sneed before a quad injury knocked him out for the remainder of the season. What’s worse is that Sneed played poorly in those five contests, grading out as the team’s worst defender, per Pro Football Focus (subscription required). If he had played enough games, his defensive grade would’ve been the worst for any cornerback in the league, per PFF.

What’s even worse, Sneed was involved this offseason in a civil trial stemming from an incident that led to an aggravated assault with a deadly weapon charge. Sneed was accused of being involved with shots being fired at the plaintiff which struck his vehicle. An unnamed associate was also included in the allegation.

The civil case was ordered to mediation today, according to Paul Kuharsky, as Sneed’s attorney argued that “the alleged acts, if any, were performed by John Doe without any assistance, encouragement, or direction by L’Jarius Sneed.” Sneed will still see a grand jury date at some point in the future for the criminal side of the case.

In the meantime, head coach Brian Callahan spoke on Sneed’s recovery to reporters, per Titans senior writer/editor Jim Wyatt. Callahan claimed that Sneed is progressing as expected and is in a good spot. That being said, the team is still having to work to manage his workload through practices, and there doesn’t appear to be a timeline yet for his return.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

I don't know what the Titans were thinking making this move. A rebuilding team trading picks for expensive free agent CBs makes little sense.

Yeah, the problem was that everybody on the outside thought the Titans should have been rebuilding last year, but they saw something that made them think otherwise and now they're screwed because they didn't realize it.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by TEX

Yeah, the problem was that everybody on the outside thought the Titans should have been rebuilding last year, but they saw something that made them think otherwise and now they're screwed because they didn't realize it.

Well, it didn’t really matter. They are rebuilding now anyways and won the top draft prize whether they intended to or not.

The Chiefs continued to go about their business with another Super Bowl appearance.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by TEX

Yeah, the problem was that everybody on the outside thought the Titans should have been rebuilding last year, but they saw something that made them think otherwise and now they're screwed because they didn't realize it.

Gotta spend cap money somewhere. If you’re rebuilding in hopes of contending 2 years later, then you sign a guy who was a top 5 corner that season. And hope in 2 years when you think your window should open you’ve still got a top corner in his prime, and by then you’re likely paying him a below market wage unless the contract is heavily back loaded.

But the knee history, and Titans don’t have a Spags, or Merritt who are arguably the best coaches in the league at developing corners. Hated when we traded him, cuz he was just behind Pat and Trav as far as favorite current players. I told myself when he signed his second contract with KC I was buying his jersey. But in hindsight it was the right move.