Rex Ryan: I’ve seen teams like the Chiefs get bounced in round 1

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DRM08

To be fair, Allen got away with back to back turnover worthy plays last year (fumble and a Pick 6 dropped by KC). Mecole Hardman fumbled on the goal line. It’s a blowout if those plays go the other direction.

Sure, fine. I mean, we can play "what if" with any/every game and project nearly any outcome we want to. For instance, "What if" McDermott didn't take over the defensive play-calling for the last two plays and shit his pants in the :13 second game?

In every game mistakes, bad plays, bad decisions happen, along with good ones (most of the time anyway). We've watched Pat make plenty of both over the years. Ditto every great team or player. It's just part of the game, right?

I think we'd be fools not to acknowledge that Josh has grown into an elite QB in his own right. He's not doing it the way Pat does it, maybe not how any QB has before, but he's become a real force, especially in the RZ. If he's playing just better than his average, he's a serious problem for 99% of defenses, regardless of where the ball is snapped.

But in the RZ, where he only has to run at most 20 yards, and his ability to just run over LBs/DBs at will, he's one of the best QBs in the league, that much seems certain.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Sure, fine. I mean, we can play "what if" with any/every game and project nearly any outcome we want to. For instance, "What if" McDermott didn't take over the defensive play-calling for the last two plays and shit his pants in the :13 second game?

In every game mistakes, bad plays, bad decisions happen, along with good ones (most of the time anyway). We've watched Pat make plenty of both over the years. Ditto every great team or player. It's just part of the game, right?

I think we'd be fools not to acknowledge that Josh has grown into an elite QB in his own right. He's not doing it the way Pat does it, maybe not how any QB has before, but he's become a real force, especially in the RZ. If he's playing just better than his average, he's a serious problem for 99% of defenses, regardless of where the ball is snapped.

But in the RZ, where he only has to run at most 20 yards, and his ability to just run over LBs/DBs at will, he's one of the best QBs in the league, that much seems certain.

You're not wrong but you're just not getting the hyperbole. He's a great QB. One of the greatest ever? Yeah, not yet.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You're not wrong but you're just not getting the hyperbole. He's a great QB. One of the greatest ever? Yeah, not yet.

Ah, now I get it. Well, I think it's a little early to crown him with that label. But I won't be surprised if we see him that way in a couple years. He's come a loooong way from his first couple seasons in the NFL. Who knows what he'll look like in a couple three years?

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Ah, now I get it. Well, I think it's a little early to crown him with that label. But I won't be surprised if we see him that way in a couple years. He's come a loooong way from his first couple seasons in the NFL. Who knows what he'll look like in a couple three years?

I want to see what happens when Dion Dawkins is gone. He has been there (literally) for 99% of Josh Allen’s games the last 6+ years. Mahomes has had a shit show at Left Tackle the last 3-4 years ever since Fisher got hurt. Somehow won 2 rings and might get another one this year.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Ah, now I get it. Well, I think it's a little early to crown him with that label. But I won't be surprised if we see him that way in a couple years. He's come a loooong way from his first couple seasons in the NFL. Who knows what he'll look like in a couple three years?

He's really going to have to change his game if he wants to have the longevity needed to be an all-time great. He takes WAY too many hard hits and it's a huge part of his game. He won't be able to play like that the older he gets. I mean, even if he manages to stay healthy despite the hits, running around like that is a young man's game. He's going to have to operate more from the pocket and the less he runs, the more defenses will key on it. Right now his biggest asset is that he's a dual threat. He won't always be that, healthy or not.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He's really going to have to change his game if he wants to have the longevity needed to be an all-time great. He takes WAY too many hard hits and it's a huge part of his game. He won't be able to play like that the older he gets. I mean, even if he manages to stay healthy despite the hits, running around like that is a young man's game. He's going to have to operate more from the pocket and the less he runs, the more defenses will key on it. Right now his biggest asset is that he's a dual threat. He won't always be that, healthy or not.

That's all true, he will have to change his game as he ages. But he is. We're seeing it in real time. Just a couple seasons ago he had to have a top-10 WR like Stefon Diggs as a security blanket.

He's past that now, and distributing the ball to whoever's open, because he's able to go through his progressions and make his reads much better than he was earlier in his career.

He's running a lot now, because his weapons aren't that good or they're young/inexperienced, so he has to make up the difference by taking off. But if Kincaid grows into a top-tier guy or Coleman or whoever, he'll have to run less.

Not saying he'll become a great pocket passer, but he's learning to be a lot more comfortable in the pocket. And if he develops one or more of these young guys into top-notch receivers, he'll grow even more into a really good, if not great, pocket passer. Then we'll really be in trouble.