Look at the year Xavier Worthy could be having

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Any QB ever is not as good without star players

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Not as good, sure.

This kind of drop off ? Eh

[comochiefsfan]

Originally Posted by O.city

Not as good, sure.

This kind of drop off ? Eh

Exactly.

Where are the star players on Buffalo?

And Allen is about to win MVP.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

Exactly.

Where are the star players on Buffalo?

And Allen is about to win MVP.

Allen has had a healthy Dion Dawkins his entire career. Dawkins is pretty damn good on the blind side and has managed to stay healthy for 99% of the games over the last 6+ years. When Josh drops back, it sure seems like he has plenty of time to throw. Mahomes has had 4 different dudes at LT this year and 6 of them in the last 3 years.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Allen has had a healthy Dion Dawkins his entire career. Dawkins is pretty damn good on the blind side and has managed to stay healthy for 99% of the games over the last 6+ years. When Josh drops back, it sure seems like he has plenty of time to throw. Mahomes has had 4 different dudes at LT this year and 6 of them in the last 3 years.

Yep. Good tackle play is more important than having a lot of weapons.

Not sure why people act like Allen has no weapons though. Kincaid and Knox are both very good TEs, Cooper is very good, Shakir is good, Coleman, Samuel, Hollins, Cook, Johnson...how is that a lack of weapons?

MVS contributed nothing in that offense. He was Mahomes' #2 the last two years, and his #1 in the '22 AFCC.

Allen has more than enough weapons, and time to find them.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Yep. Good tackle play is more important than having a lot of weapons.

Not sure why people act like Allen has no weapons though. Kincaid and Knox are both very good TEs, Cooper is very good, Shakir is good, Coleman, Samuel, Hollins, Cook, Johnson...how is that a lack of weapons?

MVS contributed nothing in that offense. He was Mahomes' #2 the last two years, and his #1 in the '22 AFCC.

Allen has more than enough weapons, and time to find them.

Kelce and Gray > Kincaid and Knox
Hopkins (though we've limited him to 50% of snaps? < Shakir
Worthy > Coleman
Watson > Hollins
Juju = Samuels
Hunt and Pacheco < Cook and Johnson


How exactly are their skill positions players that much better than ours again? If Mahomes simply hit those open plays when he had an empty pocket, the entire offense would change.

Yes our LT play has been bad but it hasn't been bad enough to explain how much worse our offense is than theirs. Aside from when Kingsley played, it hasn't been any worse than when we had Cam Erving starting at LT for us and we averaged 30 in those games.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by -King-

Kelce and Gray > Kincaid and Knox
Hopkins (though we've limited him to 50% of snaps? < Shakir
Worthy > Coleman
Watson > Hollins
Juju = Samuels
Hunt and Pacheco < Cook and Johnson


How exactly are their skill positions players that much better than ours again? If Mahomes simply hit those open plays when he had an empty pocket, the entire offense would change.

Yes our LT play has been bad but it hasn't been bad enough to explain how much worse our offense is than theirs. Aside from when Kingsley played, it hasn't been any worse than when we had Cam Erving starting at LT for us and we averaged 30 in those games.

Khalil Shakir has only 1 drop and is 3rd in the NFL is YAC. There’s no way anyone would take 32 year old Hopkins over him.

Watson isn’t very good. Neither is Hollins but I’d take Hollins to ceiling. And Juju is old and slow where as Samuels is not.

If Rice and Hollywood weren’t hurt then I’d take us but not what we’ve been running the last 3 months

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Khalil Shakir has only 1 drop and is 3rd in the NFL is YAC. There’s no way anyone would take 32 year old Hopkins over him.

Watson isn’t very good. Neither is Hollins but I’d take Hollins to ceiling. And Juju is old and slow where as Samuels is not.

If Rice and Hollywood weren’t hurt then I’d take us but not what we’ve been running the last 3 months

Yes that's why I put

Hopkins < Shakir

And Hollins isn't clearly better than Watson. And Samuels sucks now.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by -King-

Kelce and Gray > Kincaid and Knox
Hopkins (though we've limited him to 50% of snaps? < Shakir
Worthy > Coleman
Watson > Hollins
Juju = Samuels
Hunt and Pacheco < Cook and Johnson


How exactly are their skill positions players that much better than ours again? If Mahomes simply hit those open plays when he had an empty pocket, the entire offense would change.

Yes our LT play has been bad but it hasn't been bad enough to explain how much worse our offense is than theirs. Aside from when Kingsley played, it hasn't been any worse than when we had Cam Erving starting at LT for us and we averaged 30 in those games.

Did you forget Amari Cooper? Not listed in your post. He’s better than any receiver on the Chiefs roster.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Did you forget Amari Cooper? Not listed in your post. He’s better than any receiver on the Chiefs roster.

I did forget him. But aside from 1 or 2 games he hasn't been ok at best for the Bills and has been injured.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

Exactly.

Where are the star players on Buffalo?

And Allen is about to win MVP.

Josh Allen has been sacked a career low 13 times.

Patrick Mahomes has already been sacked a career high 35 times and there are still 3 games left.

do you get it now?

[comochiefsfan]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Josh Allen has been sacked a career low 13 times.

Patrick Mahomes has already been sacked a career high 35 times and there are still 3 games left.

do you get it now?

Oh I get it. Left tackle is a huge problem.

The posts original point was about Tyreek being gone and Kelce declining though. Our pass catching group I would argue is better than Buffalo’s.

If the difference between Allen and Mahomes is truly left tackle play, and there’s a chance it largely is, then there shouldn’t be a price that Veach isn’t willing to pay to get an absolute wall there this offseason.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

Oh I get it. Left tackle is a huge problem.

The posts original point was about Tyreek being gone and Kelce declining though. Our pass catching group I would argue is better than Buffalo’s.

If the difference between Allen and Mahomes is truly left tackle play, and there’s a chance it largely is, then there shouldn’t be a price that Veach isn’t willing to pay to get an absolute wall there this offseason.

LT is a big part of it. I think RT is part of it as well. Taylor is $20M per year and doesn’t play like that. Might have been better off with Andrew Wiley at $8M per year and keeping Orlando Brown instead of the current situation.