Bills-Ravens: win-win, lose-lose

[seamonster]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

The TE myth is getting old now. The Ravens had them at the start of the season and in the afc championship too. Spags knows what he's doing.

Likely went off for 111 yards that first game. Bengals TE's lit up the chiefs and had something like 123 yards...TE play has been an ongoing situation all year. Losing Willie Gay was like a kidney\liver punch to the defense. Without his speed the D can't cover TE's like they could last year and that shit has been open all year long. Front end botched that.

[Mahomes007]

Originally Posted by seamonster

Likely went off for 111 yards that first game. Bengals TE's lit up the chiefs and had something like 123 yards...TE play has been an ongoing situation all year. Losing Willie Gay was like a kidney\liver punch to the defense. Without his speed the D can't cover TE's like they could last year and that shit has been open all year long. Front end botched that.

I just looked at the game by game stats this season and TE has been a huge issue all season. The stats bear that out consistently with every teams TE’s or backup TE’s having big games or definitely bigger than usual games, relative to their per game output.

To make matters worse, Gay only signed a 3 mil one year deal. That is peanuts. His speed was critical in the second level, and is a big loss. Don’t tell me Veach couldn’t take a few million off Creed’s ridiculous market resetting contract, or a mil off Noah Gray’s expensive deal, to try and keep Gay in the fold. We have no LB depth as well!

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by Mahomes007

I just looked at the game by game stats this season and TE has been a huge issue all season. The stats bear that out consistently with every teams TE’s or backup TE’s having big games or definitely bigger than usual games, relative to their per game output.

To make matters worse, Gay only signed a 3 mil one year deal. That is peanuts. His speed was critical in the second level, and is a big loss. Don’t tell me Veach couldn’t take a few million off Creed’s ridiculous market resetting contract, or a mil off Noah Gray’s expensive deal, to try and keep Gay in the fold. We have no LB depth as well!

There's probably other reasons besides money for why they didn't re-sign Gay. Either his injury history or off field issues. Yeah, the coverage was better with Gay, but the pass rush and CB play was also better the last few years compared to this season.

[SAGA45]

Originally Posted by seamonster

Likely went off for 111 yards that first game. Bengals TE's lit up the chiefs and had something like 123 yards...TE play has been an ongoing situation all year. Losing Willie Gay was like a kidney\liver punch to the defense. Without his speed the D can't cover TE's like they could last year and that shit has been open all year long. Front end botched that.

There was a post here somewhere where somebody on Twitter/X found a specific formation that targets the TE and has been kicking Spags' ass all season. It was like he had no answer for it.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by seamonster

Likely went off for 111 yards that first game. Bengals TE's lit up the chiefs and had something like 123 yards...TE play has been an ongoing situation all year. Losing Willie Gay was like a kidney\liver punch to the defense. Without his speed the D can't cover TE's like they could last year and that shit has been open all year long. Front end botched that.

Lol "we can't cover TE's" then mentions THE FIRST TWO GAMES of the season?? What about the other FIFTEEN?

[seamonster]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Lol "we can't cover TE's" then mentions THE FIRST TWO GAMES of the season?? What about the other FIFTEEN?

Look at the last real game. pat freiermuth put up 60 yards. He averaged 14 against the Ravens. And when he wasn't playing a fraudulent bottom feeding franchise or a terrible defense like the Bengals he was getting handled by everybody else too. And that's because he's a mediocre TE. The Chiefs had a linebacker that could run 4.4 last year. They don't this year. And it's been a rocky adjustment. They're not getting ****ed up like they were earlier when Brock Bowers was gauging them for 170 yards or some shit but it's still not good. And I don't have the surplus in chromosomes so I won't LOL or type in all cap's like a clown or engage with those that do. So we're done here. But if I'm Veach I'm trading for or seeking out yet another LB in the offseason because they seem to be too slow at the position.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by seamonster

Look at the last real game. pat freiermuth put up 60 yards. He averaged 14 against the Ravens. And when he wasn't playing a fraudulent bottom feeding franchise or a terrible defense like the Bengals he was getting handled by everybody else too. And that's because he's a mediocre TE. The Chiefs had a linebacker that could run 4.4 last year. They don't this year. And it's been a rocky adjustment. They're not getting ****ed up like they were earlier when Brock Bowers was gauging them for 170 yards or some shit but it's still not good. And I don't have the surplus in chromosomes so I won't LOL or type in all cap's like a clown or engage with those that do. So we're done here. But if I'm Veach I'm trading for or seeking out yet another LB in the offseason because they seem to be too slow at the position.

So now you've quoted a 60 yard game where the team scored ten points? Imo you're vastly overstating the issue. Tightends did well early in the season and yes Bowers did have some tough catches too. But the defense improved and it's not a "problem". Good players make plays. It's that simple.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by seamonster

Look at the last real game. pat freiermuth put up 60 yards. He averaged 14 against the Ravens. And when he wasn't playing a fraudulent bottom feeding franchise or a terrible defense like the Bengals he was getting handled by everybody else too. And that's because he's a mediocre TE. The Chiefs had a linebacker that could run 4.4 last year. They don't this year. And it's been a rocky adjustment. They're not getting ****ed up like they were earlier when Brock Bowers was gauging them for 170 yards or some shit but it's still not good. And I don't have the surplus in chromosomes so I won't LOL or type in all cap's like a clown or engage with those that do. So we're done here. But if I'm Veach I'm trading for or seeking out yet another LB in the offseason because they seem to be too slow at the position.

OMG our top 3 defense has a weakness?

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by seamonster

Look at the last real game. pat freiermuth put up 60 yards. He averaged 14 against the Ravens. And when he wasn't playing a fraudulent bottom feeding franchise or a terrible defense like the Bengals he was getting handled by everybody else too. And that's because he's a mediocre TE. The Chiefs had a linebacker that could run 4.4 last year. They don't this year. And it's been a rocky adjustment. They're not getting ****ed up like they were earlier when Brock Bowers was gauging them for 170 yards or some shit but it's still not good. And I don't have the surplus in chromosomes so I won't LOL or type in all cap's like a clown or engage with those that do. So we're done here. But if I'm Veach I'm trading for or seeking out yet another LB in the offseason because they seem to be too slow at the position.

Why not just bring back Gay? He never wanted to leave and only signed a cheap one year deal with NO.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Lol "we can't cover TE's" then mentions THE FIRST TWO GAMES of the season?? What about the other FIFTEEN?

Did you watch the other games? Pretty well known we’ve struggled against TE’s.

-Cade Otten-77 yards, TD
-Adam Trautman/Lucas Krull-55 yards, 18 YPC (and these guys suck)
-Jatavion Sanders had 48 yards before he hurt his neck at the end of the first half
-Dawson Knox-40 yards, 10 YPC average
-Dalton Schultz-45 yards, TD
-Pat Friermuth-7/60 yards

Also you might not want to look at what Bowers did to us at Arrowhead bc it wasn’t pretty

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Did you watch the other games? Pretty well known we’ve struggled against TE’s.

-Cade Otten-77 yards, TD
-Adam Trautman/Lucas Krull-55 yards, 18 YPC (and these guys suck)
-Jatavion Sanders had 48 yards before he hurt his neck at the end of the first half
-Dawson Knox-40 yards, 10 YPC average
-Dalton Schultz-45 yards, TD
-Pat Friermuth-7/60 yards

Also you might not want to look at what Bowers did to us at Arrowhead bc it wasn’t pretty

They lost one of those games. You're acting like it's some Achilles heel. It's not. They just don't focus on shutting down TEs and it shows.

[Iowanian]

If you give me the choice of an opponents TE gouging the chiefs for 70 yards vs a RB going for 125 or a WR 1 hanging 125. I’ll take that every game.

Spags picked what is more important to stop. A TE isn’t going to beat the chiefs.

Originally Posted by RunKC

Did you watch the other games? Pretty well known we’ve struggled against TE’s.

-Cade Otten-77 yards, TD
-Adam Trautman/Lucas Krull-55 yards, 18 YPC (and these guys suck)
-Jatavion Sanders had 48 yards before he hurt his neck at the end of the first half
-Dawson Knox-40 yards, 10 YPC average
-Dalton Schultz-45 yards, TD
-Pat Friermuth-7/60 yards

Also you might not want to look at what Bowers did to us at Arrowhead bc it wasn’t pretty

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Did you watch the other games? Pretty well known we’ve struggled against TE’s.

-Cade Otten-77 yards, TD
-Adam Trautman/Lucas Krull-55 yards, 18 YPC (and these guys suck)
-Jatavion Sanders had 48 yards before he hurt his neck at the end of the first half
-Dawson Knox-40 yards, 10 YPC average
-Dalton Schultz-45 yards, TD
-Pat Friermuth-7/60 yards

Also you might not want to look at what Bowers did to us at Arrowhead bc it wasn’t pretty

LOL IMAGINE HAVING TO MENTION 40 YARD GAMES AS "EVIDENCE" THAT WE'VE STRUGGLED!!..SMH PLEASE GET SERIOUS