Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

Allen is the second best QB in the league and I dont think 3rd is really even close. If Mahomes wins again this weekend will Bills fans give the Allen is better than Mahomes talk a rest? If Mahomes wins the next two games and balls out in the SB..

2nd most playoff wins EVER from QB (29 years old)
7 consecutive AFCCG
5 Super Bowl Appearances
4 x SB Champion
4 x SB MVP
2 x regular season MVP

What has Josh Allen done? Please list his accomplishments. He sure throws the ball hard and runs fast for a quarterback though. I will admit at times it is impressive. Mahomes is the best postseason QB in literally every.single.meaningful.statistic. The bigger the game, the better he plays. How quickly Bills fans forget that. You weren't impressed by our offense this year? Good. That isnt the offense you will see on Sunday.

In his last 4 playoff losses he’s lost to the chiefs 3 times and the afc champ bengals. One of those losses was the 13 second game and another was a missed FG. It’s not like he’s Herbert-ing it out there with 50 picks. Just because Peyton couldn’t beat Brady doesn’t mean he wasn’t an elite qb. He is an elite qb who just hasn’t beat the same qb 31 other teams in the league can’t beat. It is a testament to Mahomes’ greatness if anything that an elite qb like josh Allen can’t get past him

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

In his last 4 playoff losses he’s lost to the chiefs 3 times and the afc champ bengals. One of those losses was the 13 second game and another was a missed FG. It’s not like he’s Herbert-ing it out there with 50 picks. Just because Peyton couldn’t beat Brady doesn’t mean he wasn’t an elite qb. He is an elite qb who just hasn’t beat the same qb 31 other teams in the league can’t beat. It is a testament to Mahomes’ greatness if anything that an elite qb like josh Allen can’t get past him

Well said. Exactly.

Allen is going to win one eventually. Just like Peyton did.

[RollChiefsRoll]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Well said. Exactly.

Allen is going to win one eventually. Just like Peyton did.

No, he’s not.

[ForeverIowan]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

In his last 4 playoff losses he’s lost to the chiefs 3 times and the afc champ bengals. One of those losses was the 13 second game and another was a missed FG. It’s not like he’s Herbert-ing it out there with 50 picks. Just because Peyton couldn’t beat Brady doesn’t mean he wasn’t an elite qb. He is an elite qb who just hasn’t beat the same qb 31 other teams in the league can’t beat. It is a testament to Mahomes’ greatness if anything that an elite qb like josh Allen can’t get past him

I never said Allen is not elite. I said he is the 2ne best QB in the league...by far. He is elite. Mahomes and Allen are in a league of their own currently.

What is ludicrous is the fact Bills fans claim Allen is the better QB. I simply pointed out the fact the what SEPARATES Mahomes from Allen. If Mahomes wins his next two games...the below is thr second most accomplished career the game has ever seen. Mahomes is 29 years old.

7 consecutive conference title games.
5 Super Bowl appearances
4 x Super Bowl Champion
4 x Super Bowl MVP
2 x Regular Season MVP
Only team to ever 3 peat
QB of the greatest dynasty the league has ever known..

Again, win the next two games and that is the story. Excuse me if I find it utterly freaking ridiculous to claim Allen is the better QB.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

I never said Allen is not elite. I said he is the 2ne best QB in the league...by far. He is elite. Mahomes and Allen are in a league of their own currently.

What is ludicrous is the fact Bills fans claim Allen is the better QB. I simply pointed out the fact the what SEPARATES Mahomes from Allen. If Mahomes wins his next two games...the below is thr second most accomplished career the game has ever seen. Mahomes is 29 years old.

7 consecutive conference title games.
5 Super Bowl appearances
4 x Super Bowl Champion
4 x Super Bowl MVP
2 x Regular Season MVP
Only team to ever 3 peat
QB of the greatest dynasty the league has ever known..

Again, win the next two games and that is the story. Excuse me if I find it utterly freaking ridiculous to claim Allen is the better QB.

Oh yeah, without question Mahomes is the better qb. I agree.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

In his last 4 playoff losses he’s lost to the chiefs 3 times and the afc champ bengals. One of those losses was the 13 second game and another was a missed FG. It’s not like he’s Herbert-ing it out there with 50 picks. Just because Peyton couldn’t beat Brady doesn’t mean he wasn’t an elite qb. He is an elite qb who just hasn’t beat the same qb 31 other teams in the league can’t beat. It is a testament to Mahomes’ greatness if anything that an elite qb like josh Allen can’t get past him

Allen had poor decision making on that last drive and had a couple turnovers in the missed FG game. And if Bass makes it, it only ties the game, and Mahomes still has plenty of time to Mahomes the Bills in the ass yet again.

That game wasn't all Allen's fault, but I'd actually place more blame on Allen than on their idiot kicker.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Allen had poor decision making on that last drive and had a couple turnovers in the missed FG game. And if Bass makes it, it only ties the game, and Mahomes still has plenty of time to Mahomes the Bills in the ass yet again.

That game wasn't all Allen's fault, but I'd actually place more blame on Allen than on their idiot kicker.

Sure but you’re talking about a few mistakes here and there in two performances where the chiefs demanded perfection. We obliterated their defense. And yet in the grand scheme he was a fart away from bringing both games to OT. It’s like getting on Jalen hurts for one fumble in the Super Bowl even though he put up an absurd 35 points.

For the past few years after the highlight reels went away our measure of Mahomes’ greatness is that he finds ways to win games. But part of that also means after a bad performance, mecole hardman finds a way to not **** up in a huge moment. Toney/skyy take their heads out of their asses for a quick moment. We can blame Lamar all we want, but isnt that mecole TD pass mostly the same pass that Andrews dropped? How many misses like bass’s can we remember from playoff butker? I can’t fault a qb when on the very very last possession he does exactly what he was supposed to do and his teammate flubs a layup. Bass can’t miss that kick. Buffalos defense can’t give up a score in 13 seconds. Regardless of how Allen played all game he set it up on a tee and professionals swung and missed.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

In his last 4 playoff losses he’s lost to the chiefs 3 times and the afc champ bengals. One of those losses was the 13 second game and another was a missed FG. It’s not like he’s Herbert-ing it out there with 50 picks. Just because Peyton couldn’t beat Brady doesn’t mean he wasn’t an elite qb. He is an elite qb who just hasn’t beat the same qb 31 other teams in the league can’t beat. It is a testament to Mahomes’ greatness if anything that an elite qb like josh Allen can’t get past him

In the final drive last year, Josh Allen got away with 2 turnover worthy plays before the missed field goal. Allen fumbled and a Chief failed to recover it. Allen threw an interception ball and two Chiefs ran into each other, preventing the interception. Josh also made a poor choice to go for the end zone instead of a wide open short pass that would have kept the drive going. Allen was bailed out by Tyler Bass catching hell for missing the field goal. The truth is Josh messed up on that final drive.