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Old 02-19-2025, 01:56 PM   #1
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Then they took what had been working, flushed it down the shitter, and tried to play like they had Roaf and Waters in there.
No they didn't.

For instance, the first two plays of the game were RPOs. Mahomes didn't hand the ball off when the running lane was there for 5+ yards.

Later on they called a max protect play with a deep shot but Mahomes didn't pull the trigger.

You insist on putting all the blame on the coaching staff when no amount of coaching was going to change the outcome. The Chiefs just ran into a superior team where they couldn't hide their warts enough on a day when the QB also chose to shit his pants.
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Old 02-19-2025, 03:28 PM   #2
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No they didn't.

For instance, the first two plays of the game were RPOs.
Two plays?! Wowie! Neato!

How many were called the rest of the game?
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Old 02-19-2025, 03:34 PM   #3
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Two plays?! Wowie! Neato!

How many were called the rest of the game?
You have to get ahold of yourself.

A coaching staff comprised of Andy Reid, Vince Lombardi, Bill Belichick and Tom Landry couldn't have won this game. The Chiefs just didn't have the players.
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Old 02-19-2025, 04:15 PM   #4
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You have to get ahold of yourself.

A coaching staff comprised of Andy Reid, Vince Lombardi, Bill Belichick and Tom Landry couldn't have won this game. The Chiefs just didn't have the players.
Not winning is one thing. Being down 34-0 is another.

The Commanders turned the ball over a zillion times and even they weren't down 34-0 to the Eagles.

Do you think Buffalo would have played a competitive game against the Eagles? If we didn't have the players as you put it, we shouldn't have beaten Buffalo either.

On paper, the Chiefs are a top 5 NFL team with talent. The Eagles may be number 1 but they're not that far ahead that this game was unwinnable from the opening whistle. We beat an arguably better Eagles team several years ago with a weaker overall Chiefs roster.

The Chiefs just played like they expected a coronation while the Eagles came ready for a fight. The coaching staff looked unprepared. Mahomes looked unprepared. It was ugly. But we're not TCU playing Georgia. It shouldn't have gone down like that.
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Old 02-19-2025, 04:16 PM   #5
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Not winning is one thing. Being down 34-0 is another.

The Commanders turned the ball over a zillion times and even they weren't down 34-0 to the Eagles.

Do you think Buffalo would have played a competitive game against the Eagles? If we didn't have the players as you put it, we shouldn't have beaten Buffalo either.
Those teams have offensive lines that far outclass ours.

The Chiefs just ran into a bad matchup and it was compounded by lousy QB play. Accept it.
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Old 02-19-2025, 04:18 PM   #6
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Those teams have offensive lines that far outclass ours.

The Chiefs just ran into a bad matchup and it was compounded by lousy QB play. Accept it.
We had three All Pro linemen play the entire season, including this game.

Aren't two of the Commanders linemen our former castoffs?
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We had three All Pro linemen play the entire season, including this game.

Aren't two of the Commanders linemen our former castoffs?
The Chiefs were weak at LT and LG, and the RG was outclassed by an elite DT.

Accept it. No coaching calculus existed to overcome these obstacles, especially on the road with a pro-Eagles crowd.
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Old 02-19-2025, 05:45 PM   #8
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Not winning is one thing. Being down 34-0 is another.

The Commanders turned the ball over a zillion times and even they weren't down 34-0 to the Eagles.

Do you think Buffalo would have played a competitive game against the Eagles? If we didn't have the players as you put it, we shouldn't have beaten Buffalo either.

On paper, the Chiefs are a top 5 NFL team with talent. The Eagles may be number 1 but they're not that far ahead that this game was unwinnable from the opening whistle. We beat an arguably better Eagles team several years ago with a weaker overall Chiefs roster.

The Chiefs just played like they expected a coronation while the Eagles came ready for a fight. The coaching staff looked unprepared. Mahomes looked unprepared. It was ugly. But we're not TCU playing Georgia. It shouldn't have gone down like that.
It shouldn't have been a blowout, I agree.

But is that an indictment? Because that seems to be what some of you guys are suggesting. It's really odd.
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Old 02-19-2025, 06:20 PM   #9
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It shouldn't have been a blowout, I agree.

But is that an indictment? Because that seems to be what some of you guys are suggesting. It's really odd.
It's an indictment of that game plan and performance. It doesn't erase any prior accomplishments or call for sweeping changes in coaching and personnel. That being said, the offense has been unprepared in the first half of all five Super Bowls. You can't always start slow and expect to make adjustments and comebacks. They need to reevaluate their preparation for Super Bowls if hopefully they make it back again.
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the offense has been unprepared in the first half of all five Super Bowls
Revisionist history.

Chiefs were tied 10-10 with SF.

2020 there was no way to tell if that team was prepared or not with that OL, and all the damn drops.

2022 they were prepared fine. Scored on the first two drives, then Mahomes missed a wide open MVS deep.

2023 they looked like they were trying to find the right combination early and when they finally did it stuck.

It's an oversimplication to say the Chiefs were unprepared in any of these games, especially with so many errors in execution.
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It shouldn't have been a blowout, I agree.

But is that an indictment? Because that seems to be what some of you guys are suggesting. It's really odd.
The Chiefs weren't winning this game and no amount of coaching was gonna change that.

Reminds of the 2015 loss to the Patriots.

Alex Smith wasn't going to pull that off, but some were blaming Andy.

Alex was throwing to Avant, Wilson, Conley, Maclin's corpse and wet-behind-the-ears Kelce, and handing it to West.

It was a miracle the Chiefs were even in that game.
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The Chiefs weren't winning this game and no amount of coaching was gonna change that.

Reminds of the 2015 loss to the Patriots.

Alex Smith wasn't going to pull that off, but some were blaming Andy.

Alex was throwing to Avant, Wilson, Conley, Maclin's corpse and wet-behind-the-ears Kelce, and handing it to West.

It was a miracle the Chiefs were even in that game.
How do you make these arguments with a straight face?

There's no comparison between the 2015 Chiefs and the 2024 Chiefs. This team finished 15-2, were two time defending Champions and have Patrick Mahomes.

Incidentally, the 2015 Chiefs never trailed the Patriots by five TDs.
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Two plays?! Wowie! Neato!

How many were called the rest of the game?


They tried to run several RPOs. i don't have an exact snapcount or percentage of plays, but they only ran 44 plays to begin with. but I just watched the A-22 a few days ago, and they did run several more RPOs after the first series. the problem was that PHI-D sat on most of those plays, expecting a WR screen or other quick read play.
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They tried to run several RPOs. i don't have an exact snapcount or percentage of plays, but they only ran 44 plays to begin with. but I just watched the A-22 a few days ago, and they did run several more RPOs after the first series. the problem was that PHI-D sat on most of those plays, expecting a WR screen or other quick read play.
On the first two RPOs of the game Mahomes could have handed the ball off for 5+ yard gains easy.

The coaching staff can't account for a completely screwed up day from the QB.

It was 10-0 and then he threw a terrible pick on a pass that never would have been completed.

Mahomes has the largest amount of blame for this loss.
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