Let's Talk About the Eagles (Super Bowl 59 Discussion)

[SHOWTIME]

We're headed back to the Ship and will try to be the first team to 3-peat in Super Bowl history!!! Chiefs open up as 1.5 favorites over the Eagles.

Discuss.


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[493rd]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

you can't take deep shots if you don't have the time in the pocket to get the ball down field. Taylor and Thuney were taken to the woodshed in the SB and did not allow these deep plays to develop.

First series of the game Mahomes had Worthy down the left sideline for what may have been a TD because Worthy had a few steps on Mitchell. Mahomes shied away and pulled it down. This has been a theme with Mahomes lately. It’s like he’s playing too tight.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by 493rd

First series of the game Mahomes had Worthy down the left sideline for what may have been a TD because Worthy had a few steps on Mitchell. Mahomes shied away and pulled it down. This has been a theme with Mahomes lately. It’s like he’s playing too tight.

when you are uncomfortable in the pocket as Mahomes has been the past few seasons, you are going to get gun shy.

And I'm sorry for those who disagree, but Veach failed him in getting him garbage at LT and RT. Literally, the most important positions on the team other than QB...

[TEX]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

when you are uncomfortable in the pocket as Mahomes has been the past few seasons, you are going to get gun shy.

And I'm sorry for those who disagree, but Veach failed him in getting him garbage at LT and RT. Literally, the most important positions on the team other than QB...

Yes sir. And because of it, he's being coached to take the check down.

[SAGA45]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

when you are uncomfortable in the pocket as Mahomes has been the past few seasons, you are going to get gun shy.

Im sure thats part of it but on that particular play, Mahomes had time. I think it was less about trusting his Oline and more about the continued shift away from taking risks and being the gunslinger he was six or seven years ago.

Now, there's nothing wrong with him maturing as a QB and being a better decision-maker, mind you. One would expect that as part of his growth and it'd be extremely difficult to argue with the results over that six or seven year span.

However, Mahomes shouldn"t become so risk-averse that he's leaving big, outcome-altering plays on the field in the biggest game of his career and no longer take the shots that propelled him to greatness to begin with.

It seemed he didn't revert to the "Old Mahomes" until he had absolutely no choice and the game was completely out of reach. That shouldn't be the case. Perhaps better protection solves this but I somewhat fear it's irreversible mental conditioning and an Alex-Smith-ification of how he plays the game.

[O.city]

He threw alot of picks and got gunshy.

[irafreak]

Originally Posted by SAGA45

Im sure thats part of it but on that particular play, Mahomes had time. I think it was less about trusting his Oline and more about the continued shift away from taking risks and being the gunslinger he was six or seven years ago.

Now, there's nothing wrong with him maturing as a QB and being a better decision-maker, mind you. One would expect that as part of his growth and it'd be extremely difficult to argue with the results over that six or seven year span.

However, Mahomes shouldn"t become so risk-averse that he's leaving big, outcome-altering plays on the field in the biggest game of his career and no longer take the shots that propelled him to greatness to begin with.

It seemed he didn't revert to the "Old Mahomes" until he had absolutely no choice and the game was completely out of reach. That shouldn't be the case. Perhaps better protection solves this but I somewhat fear it's irreversible mental conditioning and an Alex-Smith-ification of how he plays the game.

This is on the coaching staff though. We see mahomes playing more conservative. The coaches have to see it too. So maybe don't design a gameplan that asks him to let er rip or at least have a backup plan in case he starts playing tight. I still wonder why we didn't try to use worthy on sweeps early to counter that aggressive pass rush.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by O.city

He threw alot of picks and got gunshy.

This is just stupid. Mahomes wasn't gunshy to end the season or against the Texans or Bills.

He just had a bad game.

People are knee jerking right now.

[Rainbarrel]

It didn't last long

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by SAGA45

Im sure thats part of it but on that particular play, Mahomes had time. I think it was less about trusting his Oline and more about the continued shift away from taking risks and being the gunslinger he was six or seven years ago.

Now, there's nothing wrong with him maturing as a QB and being a better decision-maker, mind you. One would expect that as part of his growth and it'd be extremely difficult to argue with the results over that six or seven year span.

However, Mahomes shouldn"t become so risk-averse that he's leaving big, outcome-altering plays on the field in the biggest game of his career and no longer take the shots that propelled him to greatness to begin with.

It seemed he didn't revert to the "Old Mahomes" until he had absolutely no choice and the game was completely out of reach. That shouldn't be the case. Perhaps better protection solves this but I somewhat fear it's irreversible mental conditioning and an Alex-Smith-ification of how he plays the game.

Perhaps he's trying too hard to be like Brady, whose style of play was boring as vanilla. Brady made a living off of being Captain Check Down.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

This is just stupid. Mahomes wasn't gunshy to end the season or against the Texans or Bills.

He just had a bad game.

People are knee jerking right now.

O.City wants to trade Mahomes.

He won’t outright say it but he’s strongly inferring it with every post about his salary, unrealistic expectations and his apparent shitty play.

[493rd]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

This is just stupid. Mahomes wasn't gunshy to end the season or against the Texans or Bills.

He just had a bad game.

People are knee jerking right now.

Not really. His stats validate the theory.

[Rainbarrel]

Other dynastic(no small span) QBs who devolve into mediocrity escapes my memory. Of course there a few to look at

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by 493rd

Not really. His stats validate the theory.

He played worse in that Super Bowl than he had played in months. YPA was high to end the season and in the playoffs. Went from 6.8 during the season to 8.2 during the two playoff games. Go **** yourself.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

O.City wants to trade Mahomes.

He won’t outright say it but he’s strongly inferring it with every post about his salary, unrealistic expectations and his apparent shitty play.

Are you 12?

He's on the best track in the history of QB's in terms of success, sorry I don't wanna knee cap him with saying he needs all this help when he's shown in the past he doesn't.

He played at an MVP level in 22.

Hasn't done it since, save for a few spots.

Maybe some should hold him to a higher standard, he certainly holds himself to it.

[Bearcat]

Of course he got gunshy in the SB.... it wouldn't have mattered if the Bills rushed 11 in the AFCCG, he was getting the ball out so quickly. He shot himself in the foot several times in the SB by holding onto the ball too long and sometimes even running into the pressure. Same issues as the regular season beyond the offensive line issues and the times in the SB when he seriously had zero chance to do anything (and of course the play calling sucked, they never adjusted, etc.)

It clearly wasn't the only issue or even a top 2 issue... but it was an issue for sure.