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Old 03-05-2025, 08:16 AM  
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Old 03-05-2025, 09:38 AM   #106
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This is so dumb sorry. And you only get a 2026 4th rounder?
No team is trading a top 100 pick for a 33 year old player that is making to of the market money.

This is the going rate
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Old 03-05-2025, 09:41 AM   #107
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Maybe I’m wishcasting, but does it seem like these three moves taken together add up?

1) Save $16 mil in cap space from Thuney
2) Save cap space by letting Reid walk
3) Move Kingsley to LT

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Invest in a high priced LT? I don’t see what else the money could be used for other than maybe an edge rusher or a WR, but the latter seems out of step given we’ve got Worthy/Rice.
We needed to get under the cap too, though. As of yesterday I believe we were something like $10m over the cap. We had to get under by the start of the league year and obviously you want/need space for FA, re-signing guys, and draft picks.

I don’t believe their are really any LTs on the FA market worth a max contract anyway.
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Old 03-05-2025, 09:43 AM   #108
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Old 03-05-2025, 09:43 AM   #109
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But but Kingsley is a wasted draft pick and he's obviously not going to start next year too!
Please look at Andrew Thomas’s development.
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I’ve been saying for damn near 2 months that I was extremely impressed with Kingsley playing G. He was really good against an elite DT. This must have sold them on this move.
Who was the DT? I can’t remember…
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Please look at Andrew Thomas’s development.
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Old 03-05-2025, 09:44 AM   #112
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Thuney is 7 years older than Smith and the Chiefs desperately need a LT. We'd all like for the Chiefs to spend way over the cap, but they can't, so, you have to pick your spots. The money we'd be paying Thuney is now being paid to Smith as we shift a rookie contract guy into Thuney's old spot.

Getting younger on the O-line helps to keep Patrick protected for years to come. Moving a 2nd year player into the LG spot saves a lot of money off the cap. Finally, trading Thuney gets us some draft capital for next year in the same way that trading Sneed to the Titans last year got us some draft capital for this year. When you're constantly at the end of every round, getting extra draft capital is a must.

I really like Thuney and wish we could have kept him, but teams are forced to make moves like these because players want to get paid as much as possible. It's nobody's fault. It's just the business.
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Old 03-05-2025, 09:44 AM   #113
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Veach is just damn good at his job. It's easy to get blinded by emotion. Thuney has been a rock and was a stud this season. And while he has plenty of gas left in the tank, Veach is looking at his entire roster, not just the player. Locking up Creed and Trey long terms should provide the Chiefs a lot of stability. Clearly Kingsley is moving to guard, and the thought of having a huge LG next to Creed is appealing to me, and he looked good there vs Denver. That mean you have the interior three o-line spots locked down for a minimum of 3 years.

Taylor is gone next offseason and you are going to take that money and give it to Karloftis or McDuffie. As for the upcoming draft, prepare thyself for a LT in the first.Veach is going to want a cheap rookie for the next five years, and they contract would slot in perfectly with Creed, Smith, and Kingsley.
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If Kingsley becomes the Left tackle and Morris left guard this year Brett Veach should get blowies from all the deniers.
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Veach is just damn good at his job. It's easy to get blinded by emotion. Thuney has been a rock and was a stud this season. And while he has plenty of gas left in the tank, Veach is looking at his entire roster, not just the player. Locking up Creed and Trey long terms should provide the Chiefs a lot of stability. Clearly Kingsley is moving to guard, and the thought of having a huge LG next to Creed is appealing to me, and he looked good there vs Denver. That mean you have the interior three o-line spots locked down for a minimum of 3 years.

Taylor is gone next offseason and you are going to take that money and give it to Karloftis or McDuffie. As for the upcoming draft, prepare thyself for a LT in the first.Veach is going to want a cheap rookie for the next five years, and they contract would slot in perfectly with Creed, Smith, and Kingsley.
I don't think Kingsley at LG is clear at all.
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Maybe I’m wishcasting, but does it seem like these three moves taken together add up?

1) Save $16 mil in cap space from Thuney
2) Save cap space by letting Reid walk
3) Move Kingsley to LG

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Invest in a high priced LT? I don’t see what else the money could be used for other than maybe an edge rusher or a WR, but the latter seems out of step given we’ve got Worthy/Rice.
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If Kingsley becomes the Left tackle and Morris left guard this year Brett Veach should get blowies from all the deniers.
Only if they’re plus starters.

If that ends up happening and they’re even just average he’ll get raked over the coals.
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Time to rebuild the left side of the O Line. A 4th in 2026 doesn't seem great but it is draft capital. Something that could be packaged in a trade for a player or to move up in the draft for a player. What's Breach's next move?
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Veach is just damn good at his job. It's easy to get blinded by emotion. Thuney has been a rock and was a stud this season. And while he has plenty of gas left in the tank, Veach is looking at his entire roster, not just the player. Locking up Creed and Trey long terms should provide the Chiefs a lot of stability. Clearly Kingsley is moving to guard, and the thought of having a huge LG next to Creed is appealing to me, and he looked good there vs Denver. That mean you have the interior three o-line spots locked down for a minimum of 3 years.

Taylor is gone next offseason and you are going to take that money and give it to Karloftis or McDuffie. As for the upcoming draft, prepare thyself for a LT in the first.Veach is going to want a cheap rookie for the next five years, and they contract would slot in perfectly with Creed, Smith, and Kingsley.
Yup. Love Thuney but he has played 13 more games than the average G in the NFL with the Chiefs and 10 more with the Patriots due to playoff success, so while he’s going to be 33 next season, his body in NFL years is actually closer to 35 due to 23 more games. Add in a serious injury in 2023 and that wear and tear is gonna get worse.

The Chiefs have to get draft capital. You can’t expect Veach to be perfect bc nobody is. They need flexibility which is why they traded Dee Ford, LJ Sneed, Tyreek Hill and Joe Thuney.

Do not be surprised if Chris Jones is traded in 2 years when he is in Thuney’s position at the same age. That’s why they need to capitalize on this incredible DT class.

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No team is trading a top 100 pick for a 33 year old player that is making to of the market money.

This is the going rate
Ok but if they kept him this year and let him walk in FA they would have gotten a 3rd round comp pick next year right? As long as he doesn't retire.
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