Texans pay CB Derek Stingley $30m per year

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm asking because I've seen...don't pay RB's, don't pay WR's, don't pay interior OL, don't pay off ball LB's, don't pay secondary.

So we should just have a really expensive QB and OT's and a really expensive DL and that's it.

Nick Bolton is half of what Tyreek Hill got. Trey Smith is 75% of what Tyreek Hill got. Creed Humphrey is 60% of what Tyreek Hill got. Hell Jawaan Taylor is 66% of what Tyreek Hill got.

It’s good business to keep players at good prices. It’s insane to pay players that are not clearly the best or elite at insane prices or $30+ million.

[T-post Tom]

Another stupid team doing stupid shit.

[BigRedChief]

See if he and his agent wants to stay with the Chiefs or pursue the highest $. If he will take something this off season to an additional 4years/$125 with a $50 million signing bonus. Guaranteed money $75million. He blows out a knee, you are not in cap hell.

But, he will go for the money and go back to the west coast. So this is probably our last year of him on our team. Should get a 1st for him.

[kccrow]

Do we reach a point where we're too worried about signing a guy? I ask this because when you look at a guy like McDuffie, you have 1 year of cheap, the following year is his 5th-year option, which is cheap all things considered (13.6m), and then you have another year you can play him on the franchise tag for, let's call it probably around $21-22m (it's 20.2 right now), and then you could even exercise that tag again the following year. At no point in the next 4 years would you ever need to approach anything near $30m if you wanted to play hardball with the guy. I think you can, at minimum, be fake in negotiations and use the tag the first year without pissing the guy off. You'd have him locked through his age 27 year. That next year though, tag and cut bait when he's 28.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Do we reach a point where we're too worried about signing a guy? I ask this because when you look at a guy like McDuffie, you have 1 year of cheap, the following year is his 5th-year option, which is cheap all things considered (13.6m), and then you have another year you can play him on the franchise tag for, let's call it probably around $21-22m (it's 20.2 right now), and then you could even exercise that tag again the following year. At no point in the next 4 years would you ever need to approach anything near $30m if you wanted to play hardball with the guy. I think you can, at minimum, be fake in negotiations and use the tag the first year without pissing the guy off. You'd have him locked through his age 27 year. That next year though, tag and cut bait when he's 28.

No player has ever played on a 2nd year tag. They all settled or the player set out the whole season.

That's not an option in our culture.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Does anyone know if this Stingley deal includes the fifth year option?

Cause if so, $30m per year is some serious leg work from the agent. And I think that’s exactly what it was.

But in actuality, it may be like $25m per year over the next five.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Does anyone know if this Stingley deal includes the fifth year option?

Cause if so, $30m per year is some serious leg work from the agent. And I think that’s exactly what it was.

But in actuality, it may be like $25m per year over the next five.

It has to. There's just no way they tore that year up AND paid him $30 million. Makes zero sense.

They're dumb -- they're not THAT dumb.

Because of his Pro Bowl this year, his 5th year option would've been more like $18 million instead of our $13 million for McDuffie.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It has to. There's just no way they tore that year up AND paid him $30 million. Makes zero sense.

They're dumb -- they're not THAT dumb.

Because of his Pro Bowl this year, his 5th year option would've been more like $18 million instead of our $13 million for McDuffie.

So there you’re looking at $27m per year after the first four-year rookie contract for Stingley.

I’d do that without hesitation for McDuffie, and because his fifth year is five million less, you could lump than into the extension to make it look like he’s paid more than Stingley when he really won’t be.

[kccrow]

A couple of things to remember here... one is that Stingley is just a better CB than McDuffie. Two is that Stingley is a great CB on the outside whereas McDuffie plays a lot better from the slot.

There is a differential in value for these guys and I'd argue it's fairly substantial. I don't think people realize just how good Stingley is. He might be the best CB in the game right now.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by kccrow

A couple of things to remember here... one is that Stingley is just a better CB than McDuffie. Two is that Stingley is a great CB on the outside whereas McDuffie plays a lot better from the slot.

There is a differential in value for these guys and I'd argue it's fairly substantial. I don't think people realize just how good Stingley is. He might be the best CB in the game right now.

I don’t think anyone prevents separation better than McDuffie.

Now the length can be an issue at the catch point, but he’s the best pure cover guy in the league I think besides Surtain.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I don’t think anyone prevents separation better than McDuffie.

Now the length can be an issue at the catch point, but he’s the best pure cover guy in the league I think besides Surtain.

Nobody stops other guys from catching the football better than Stingley.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Nobody stops other guys from catching the football better than Stingley.

I’ll accept your stance and still raise you that Trent McDuffie specifically is the perfect DB for Spags’ defense.

The blitzing, the safety protection behind press corners outside, all of it makes it so IMO.

[Gary Cooper]

If we want to copy the Patriots sustained dynasty, its difficult to justify large contracts to anyone besides the QB.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

If we want to copy the Patriots sustained dynasty, its difficult to justify large contracts to anyone besides the QB.

Actually New England did pay several key players big deals.

The difference with them compared to others was they would set hard lines in the sand, and wouldn’t go past those points. They also would trade key players for a pick even while still seemingly at the end of their primes, especially those who had already been on a fairly high salary.

But off the top of my head I know they paid Gronk, Hernandez, Edelman, McCourty, Hightower. They just never got bent over on a deal.

They weren’t afraid to let a guy see what he was truly worth and many times, it didn’t seem enough for them to leave.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Actually New England did pay several key players big deals.

The difference with them compared to others was they would set hard lines in the sand, and wouldn’t go past those points. They also would trade key players for a pick even while still seemingly at the end of their primes, especially those who had already been on a fairly high salary.

But off the top of my head I know they paid Gronk, Hernandez, Edelman, McCourty, Hightower. They just never got bent over on a deal.

They weren’t afraid to let a guy see what he was truly worth and many times, it didn’t seem enough for them to leave.

Yeah, I just don't remember those guys making the highest salary per their positions. Nothing extreme. Gronk would have deserved it at least.