Texans pay CB Derek Stingley $30m per year

[RunKC]

Love ya McDuffie but there’s no way we should even think of paying a slot CB who struggles against bigger outside WR1’s $30 million.

[ColoradoChief69]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Love ya McDuffie but there’s no way we should even think of paying a slot CB who struggles against bigger outside WR1’s $30 million.

This. All of this. Love Trent's game. Inside he is elite. Can be moved outside in a pinch but if you want $25-30M you can't be getting torched by Mack Hollins in a 1 v 1 match up. AJ, heck, even Court I get it but when I watched him get beat by Hollins I knew he wasn't a CB1.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Veach needs to have that conversation with McDuffie and his agent now.

If McDuffie wants anything north of $25 million you trade him. You cannot pay McDuffie $30 million. You just can’t.

Originally Posted by ColoradoChief69

This. All of this. Love Trent's game. Inside he is elite. Can be moved outside in a pinch but if you want $25-30M you can't be getting torched by Mack Hollins in a 1 v 1 match up. AJ, heck, even Court I get it but when I watched him get beat by Hollins I knew he wasn't a CB1.

What about when he was beating up Ja'marr Chase and stealing his lunch money?

The league isn't designed for any CB to be able to shut down any WR at any time. They are all going to have certain matchups that give them trouble.

If you're a player that makes $30 million and you shut down a player that makes $40 million, you've earned your keep.

We need to keep McDuffie. He's the lynchpin of that entire secondary.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What about when he was beating up Ja'marr Chase and stealing his lunch money?

The league isn't designed for any CB to be able to shut down any WR at any time. They are all going to have certain matchups that give them trouble.

If you're a player that makes $30 million and you shut down a player that makes $40 million, you've earned your keep.

We need to keep McDuffie. He's the lynchpin of that entire secondary.

Exactly.

People have to stop viewing slot CB with negative connotation.

Not having Trent in the slot last year got us torched game after game by players in that position.

If you can’t get at least a 1 or at least a proven starter at LT DE or WR, it’s not worth trading him.

He’s everything you want in a player on and off the field. That “star” role he plays in the secondary is the most valuable piece of a Steve Spagnuolo secondary.

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Exactly.

People have to stop viewing slot CB with negative connotation.

Not having Trent in the slot last year got us torched game after game by players in that position.

If you can’t get at least a 1 or at least a proven starter at LT DE or WR, it’s not worth trading him.

He’s everything you want in a player on and off the field. That “star” role he plays in the secondary is the most valuable piece of a Steve Spagnuolo secondary.

I think the only "negative" is the rarity of physical attributes needed to play on the boundary. Simply a matter of winning the genetic lottery, just like tackles with 34.75" arms. They may not be more skilled, but there are just so few that have certain key phys attributes, they are just in greater demand.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

I think the only "negative" is the rarity of physical attributes needed to play on the boundary. Simply a matter of winning the genetic lottery, just like tackles with 34.75" arms. They may not be more skilled, but there are just so few that have certain key phys attributes, they are just in greater demand.

Eh...they're not more rare on the boundary, they're just different.

First step quickness and ability to change direction (not to mention gear down) are straight up physical traits and they are MASSIVE for an NCB. Every bit as important as length on the boundary.

And there aren't many people that have those at a premier level either. Fewer than there are guys who are 6'2" and can run fast these days.

I just feel like some have an outdated view of what a NCB really is these days. It's not just some guy who couldn't hack it on the outside. Those guys have very rare skills of their own that are unique to them and the position.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Eh...they're not more rare on the boundary, they're just different.

First step quickness and ability to change direction (not to mention gear down) are straight up physical traits and they are MASSIVE for an NCB. Every bit as important as length on the boundary.

And there aren't many people that have those at a premier level either. Fewer than there are guys who are 6'2" and can run fast these days.

I just feel like some have an outdated view of what a NCB really is these days. It's not just some guy who couldn't hack it on the outside. Those guys have very rare skills of their own that are unique to them and the position.

There are still people that don't understand a NCB is a starter in today's league.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What about when he was beating up Ja'marr Chase and stealing his lunch money?

The league isn't designed for any CB to be able to shut down any WR at any time. They are all going to have certain matchups that give them trouble.

If you're a player that makes $30 million and you shut down a player that makes $40 million, you've earned your keep.

We need to keep McDuffie. He's the lynchpin of that entire secondary.

McDuffie got beat by bigger WR1’s. Sutton, Hollins, Brown. If you have to bring in Kristian Fulton to help your star corner play inside as his first option, he’s not worth $30 million.

This feels a lot like the Tyreek situation. We were prepared to give him $25 million and Adams came in and threw a bomb in the market skyrocketing it to $30 million.

If McDuffie is cool with taking what Jaycee Horn got then fine. But if he wants closer to $30 million you trade him. A $30 million CB1 is a true consistent shutdown outside corner. That’s what Surtain and Stingley are. It’s not what McDuffie is.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by RunKC

McDuffie got beat by bigger WR1’s. Sutton, Hollins, Brown. If you have to bring in Kristian Fulton to help your star corner play inside as his first option, he’s not worth $30 million.

This feels a lot like the Tyreek situation. We were prepared to give him $25 million and Adams came in and threw a bomb in the market skyrocketing it to $30 million.

If McDuffie is cool with taking what Jaycee Horn got then fine. But if he wants closer to $30 million you trade him. A $30 million CB1 is a true consistent shutdown outside corner. That’s what Surtain and Stingley are. It’s not what McDuffie is.

You’re looking at it all wrong man.

They aren’t moving Trent to protect him.

They’re moving Trent to save the pass defense.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

You’re looking at it all wrong man.

They aren’t moving Trent to protect him.

They’re moving Trent to save the pass defense.

It’s gonna come down to McDuffie. It really is. Do you want to still make filthy money at $26 million or do you have to have $30 million?

Veach needs to get this decision done now bc Sauce Gardner is probably gonna get $31 million making it even more untenable.

Get this figured out now Veach.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

It’s gonna come down to McDuffie. It really is. Do you want to still make filthy money at $26 million or do you have to have $30 million?

Veach needs to get this decision done now bc Sauce Gardner is probably gonna get $31 million making it even more untenable.

Get this figured out now Veach.

And the leverage is pretty substantial now.

He makes $2.7 million in base salary this year. So, what, $150K per week as a game check? Nice money, to be sure.

But if you offer him a $40 million signing bonus in what would amount to $100 million or so in effective guarantees....man, that's gonna turn his head.

That's money NOW. In his pocket tomorrow.

Or he can make about $15 million over the next two seasons. He could more than double that tomorrow with the stroke of a pen. And have it in his bank account that evening.

That's gotta mean something.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Love ya McDuffie but there’s no way we should even think of paying a slot CB who struggles against bigger outside WR1’s $30 million.

I get it, I do, but what’s scary to me is I don’t think you can get a first rounder for him.

You might be lucky to get a top-40 selection. Most realistic case, you get a 3 + 4.

Is that worth it?

It’s not like you’re getting a Tyreek haul.

Sneed showed us that teams won’t trade much for a CB they then have to pay top dollar. Ramsey was the only one who fetched a lot, and he was a prototype outside CB.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I get it, I do, but what’s scary to me is I don’t think you can get a first rounder for him.

You might be lucky to get a top-40 selection. Most realistic case, you get a 3 + 4.

Is that worth it?

It’s not like you’re getting a Tyreek haul.

Sneed showed us that teams won’t trade much for a CB they then have to pay top dollar. Ramsey was the only one who fetched a lot, and he was a prototype outside CB.

Sneed never once made a pro bowl or all-pro. He was an older player (27) who had known knee issues and wanted elite money. He also was a penalty machine. That’s why he had no market.

McDuffie is only 24, has 2 years cheap left on his rookie contract and was an all-pro.

The trade market for McDuffie would be robust. You’d get value for him.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I get it, I do, but what’s scary to me is I don’t think you can get a first rounder for him.

You might be lucky to get a top-40 selection. Most realistic case, you get a 3 + 4.

Is that worth it?

It’s not like you’re getting a Tyreek haul.

Sneed showed us that teams won’t trade much for a CB they then have to pay top dollar. Ramsey was the only one who fetched a lot, and he was a prototype outside CB.

His age and ability, all we need is the right scenario. Team with lots of cap..all in on defense.

Hell. I would defer the pick even and say next year or two years first when time comes.

Teams may be all in depending on the division..say another team is loaded with wr.