Scientists map massive underground structures beneath the Giza Pyramid

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

There are states in Germany that remain relatively poor today because of castles built 300 years ago. In some cases, the commoners died en masse due to starvation and disease, all to build a castle. And these were people that believed in God.

The ancient Egyptians believed that Pharaoh WAS God. You don't think they would have gone to their death to serve him?

Aliens aren't real.

" In some cases, the commoners died en masse due to starvation and disease, all to build a castle"...that's basically what I said about the people 2500 years earlier. Cram nearly the entire region's population into an area just off the Nile and inland to Giza and it would be a miracle if you avoided significant water-borne disease and starvation over the time frame it would take to complete the pyramids.

"Aliens aren't real" - where did I mention that?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

" In some cases, the commoners died en masse due to starvation and disease, all to build a castle"...that's basically what I said about the people 2500 years earlier. Cram nearly the entire region's population into an area just off the Nile and inland to Giza and it would be a miracle if you avoided significant water-borne disease and starvation over the time frame it would take to complete the pyramids.

"Aliens aren't real" - where did I mention that?

And yet the pyramids are there. If you don't believe the Egyptians built them and you don't believe aliens built them, who did?

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

And yet the pyramids are there. If you don't believe the Egyptians built them and you don't believe aliens built them, who did?

Well, I just explained it- I said explicitly that I don't believe the Egyptians of that time frame built it, but people of a past, more capable civilzation built it, people that built many incredible structures in the Mediterranean area, maybe beginning with Gobekli and Karahun Tepi.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

Well, I just explained it- I said explicitly that I don't believe the Egyptians of that time frame built it, but people of a past, more capable civilzation built it, people that built many incredible structures in the Mediterranean area, maybe beginning with Gobekli and Karahun Tepi.

That's fair. It's at least plausible.

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's fair. It's at least plausible.

I think the thesis that DJ, Hammock and I would agree to is this: Historians tell us civilization began in the fertile crescent around 3400 BC...the first pyramid was compeleted 800 years later, and the most amazing of them only 900 yrs later. I find it beyond ludicrous that man would build something so difficult, complex, and arduous in such a short period of organized cohabitation. One could even say we peaked architecturally in our first millenium in relative terms. How could a society so new, with so few architectural feats build something that can't confidently be explained today? It just doesn't wash!

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

I think the thesis that DJ, Hammock and I would agree to is this: Historians tell us civilization began in the fertile crescent around 3400 BC...the first pyramid was compeleted 800 years later, and the most amazing of them only 900 yrs later. I find it beyond ludicrous that man would build something so difficult, complex, and arduous in such a short period of organized cohabitation. One could even say we peaked architecturally in our first millenium in relative terms. How could a society so new, with so few architectural feats build something that can't confidently be explained today? It just doesn't wash!

The simplest answer is that the aliens that created us also created the pyramids.

And that is why we still worship them. Why all ancient cultures worshipped them.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The simplest answer is that the aliens that created us also created the pyramids.

And that is why we still worship them. Why all ancient cultures worshipped them.

Hears hooves - looks for zebras.

[ThrobProng]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The simplest answer is that the aliens that created us also created the pyramids.

And that is why we still worship them. Why all ancient cultures worshipped them.

THAT'S the simplest answer?

Aliens that can traverse the galaxy come to our nothing planet to assemble a pile of rocks for a bunch of hairless apes? Seems legit.

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The simplest answer is that the aliens that created us also created the pyramids.

And that is why we still worship them. Why all ancient cultures worshipped them.

There are a lot more valid questions than valid answers imho. I read "The Atlantis Blueprint" by Wilson & Flem-Ath when it came out in 2000, and it uncovered all (or at least compiled) all the mathematical brilliance/mystery of the Giza pyramids and how they used Fibonacci numbers (long before it was named) and celestial alignment, and their placement in relation to the earth's land mass. I haven't changed my mind a bit in 25 years...humans, if civilzation began with the Sumerians in 4000 bce at the earliest, in no way could pull off the construction of multiple pyramids in the center of the earth's land mass, using near perfect footprints, Orion algnment, the Fibonacci sequence etc. It takes a long time to accumulate that much knowledge...I wonder if we will ever find evidence of the glithed sites where the builders got it wrong and had to scrap the whole damned thing and start over!

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The simplest answer is that the aliens that created us also created the pyramids.

And that is why we still worship them. Why all ancient cultures worshipped them.

The Sumerians wrote in cuneiform that we originated as a DNA splice between their species (they came here from their home planet that originates near the belt of Orion) and humans. They created us as a slave race to mine gold that they could bring back to their home planet to help fix their atmosphere.

And it’s outside the box low key plausible. Everything funnels to gold eventually.

Side note…a few thousand years later, they stopped by the virgin marys place…

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

I think the thesis that DJ, Hammock and I would agree to is this: Historians tell us civilization began in the fertile crescent around 3400 BC...the first pyramid was compeleted 800 years later, and the most amazing of them only 900 yrs later. I find it beyond ludicrous that man would build something so difficult, complex, and arduous in such a short period of organized cohabitation. One could even say we peaked architecturally in our first millenium in relative terms. How could a society so new, with so few architectural feats build something that can't confidently be explained today? It just doesn't wash!

But that again presumes linear progression, does it not?

I mean you could take someone born in 1200 and drop them into 1700 and they'd be awed by it but I don't think they'd think they were on a different planet.

Take someone from 1800 and drop them into 2000 OTOH...

I don't think it's that farfetched to believe there was some triggering event (again, not hard to imagine if it's only in a single cultural region) that led to very fast development in that part of the world that then fell backwards due to a variety of factors that could be as simple as weather.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

I think the thesis that DJ, Hammock and I would agree to is this: Historians tell us civilization began in the fertile crescent around 3400 BC...the first pyramid was compeleted 800 years later, and the most amazing of them only 900 yrs later. I find it beyond ludicrous that man would build something so difficult, complex, and arduous in such a short period of organized cohabitation. One could even say we peaked architecturally in our first millenium in relative terms. How could a society so new, with so few architectural feats build something that can't confidently be explained today? It just doesn't wash!

fertile crescent is roughly 10,000 bce.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

Well, I just explained it- I said explicitly that I don't believe the Egyptians of that time frame built it, but people of a past, more capable civilzation built it, people that built many incredible structures in the Mediterranean area, maybe beginning with Gobekli and Karahun Tepi.

It's gonna be funny if one of these days we find out that radio carbon dating is just quack science.

Because man, Gobekli Tepe put the world on its ear. NOBODY saw anything that old being that advanced.

(Because again, we seem to think that everyone back in pre-recorded history was stupid or something. I guess that'll happen when we keep saying we descended from Apes...)

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's gonna be funny if one of these days we find out that radio carbon dating is just quack science.

Because man, Gobekli Tepe put the world on its ear. NOBODY saw anything that old being that advanced.

(Because again, we seem to think that everyone back in pre-recorded history was stupid or something. I guess that'll happen when we keep saying we descended from Apes...)

Yep...the current "Timeline of Man" will one day look like a 1950s Food Pyramid with it's non-existent understanding of fats, and that eggs will kill you due to cholesterol spikes. Maybe we are getting dumber??

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

Yep...the current "Timeline of Man" will one day look like a 1950s Food Pyramid with it's non-existent understanding of fats, and that eggs will kill you due to cholesterol spikes. Maybe we are getting dumber??

Man, I read an article a few years back where they tried to go into the expansion of the universe and how that expansion, when combined with the necessary changes in properties of matter and energy, actually supports the idea that time has slowed down SUBSTANTIALLY over several thousand years. Like, the speed of light was THOUSANDS of times faster then than it is now because there was so much more energy in the universe.

Essentially the argument was that decay and everything else was greater then because the levels of energy that existed in the universe at that time was substantially greater as well.

The conclusions were that radio carbon dating could be off by exponential levels IF the math has changed over the course of thousands of years due to simple entropy.

It was fascinating but just batshit enough (and beyond my baseline understanding of physics enough) that I found it quaint fodder for conversation but nothing that was going to fundamentally alter my outlook on life.

So I'm not saying that's a correct read on things, but I am saying that it's a hell of a lot more likely than not that we've overlooked something like that which would make everything we've ever thought we've known fundamentally wrong.