Scientists map massive underground structures beneath the Giza Pyramid

[Hammock Parties]

Going 650 METERS BELOW

WITH ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES EVEN FARTHER DOWN!

This is crazy. Clearly an alien base.

WTF is going on under the Giza pyramids? pic.twitter.com/X3d24jPbEs

— 8BitTendies (@8BitTendies) March 19, 2025

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Man, I read an article a few years back where they tried to go into the expansion of the universe and how that expansion, when combined with the necessary changes in properties of matter and energy, actually supports the idea that time has slowed down SUBSTANTIALLY over several thousand years. Like, the speed of light was THOUSANDS of times faster then than it is now because there was so much more energy in the universe.

Essentially the argument was that decay and everything else was greater then because the levels of energy that existed in the universe at that time was substantially greater as well.

The conclusions were that radio carbon dating could be off by exponential levels IF the math has changed over the course of thousands of years due to simple entropy.

It was fascinating but just batshit enough (and beyond my baseline understanding of physics enough) that I found it quaint fodder for conversation but nothing that was going to fundamentally alter my outlook on life.

So I'm not saying that's a correct read on things, but I am saying that it's a hell of a lot more likely than not that we've overlooked something like that which would make everything we've ever thought we've known fundamentally wrong.

The historical records of many ancient civilizations including those in the Bible support the idea that time is compressing.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

If only it was capapble of dating rocks!

C14 dating relies on a relationship between unstable and stable molecules like C18. Fundamentally, C14 dating assumes that our carbon-based atmosphere is at equilibrium. It's a fixed equation.

Nobody on any side believes our atmosphere is stable and not changing. C14 dating is simply flawed.

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

[/B] Egypt got the chariot idea from the Hyksos, whom they later defeated using theri own version. Sooooo...other armies could afford the same.

New Kingdom is not the Old Kingdom. Old Kingdom, the bronze age. New Kingdom is iron age. There is a 650 year difference, two intermediate periods, and the Middle Kingdom between them.

Everyone's army in the bronze age was made of a warrior elite with bronze armor and weapons with lighter armed peasant archers, slingers, and skirmishers since the materials for making bronze were somewhat rare and expensive. Unlike later iron ore which is incredibly common.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The historical records of many ancient civilizations including those in the Bible support the idea that time is compressing.

Indeed.

What we know now vs. what we knew thousands of years ago, when recorded as a percentage of what there IS to know, remains nothing more than a rounding error, IMO.

I don't think we know a damn thing.

Which is why I find it so hilarious when we shit on those from pre-recorded history.

In the words of the immortal poet, Ben Folds -- The more you know, you know you don't know shit...

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

C14 dating relies on a relationship between unstable and stable molecules like C18. Fundamentally, C14 dating assumes that our carbon-based atmosphere is at equilibrium. It's a fixed equation.

Nobody on any side believes our atmosphere is stable and not changing. C14 dating is simply flawed.

I only know that carbon is needed...how accurate would you say c dating could get if dating something 5,000 yrs old? 100 years? 1,000 yrs?

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

There are a lot more valid questions than valid answers imho. I read "The Atlantis Blueprint" by Wilson & Flem-Ath when it came out in 2000, and it uncovered all (or at least compiled) all the mathematical brilliance/mystery of the Giza pyramids and how they used Fibonacci numbers (long before it was named) and celestial alignment, and their placement in relation to the earth's land mass. I haven't changed my mind a bit in 25 years...humans, if civilzation began with the Sumerians in 4000 bce at the earliest, in no way could pull off the construction of multiple pyramids in the center of the earth's land mass, using near perfect footprints, Orion algnment, the Fibonacci sequence etc. It takes a long time to accumulate that much knowledge...I wonder if we will ever find evidence of the glithed sites where the builders got it wrong and had to scrap the whole damned thing and start over!

We do. In Egypt. The Bent pyramid and Meidum pyramids were two early sloped pyramids in which the engineering was bad. The Meidum actually partially collapsed and the bent pyramid is bent because they changed the angle to prevent it from collapsing.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Indeed.

What we know now vs. what we knew thousands of years ago, when recorded as a percentage of what there IS to know, remains nothing more than a rounding error, IMO.

I don't think we know a damn thing.

Which is why I find it so hilarious when we shit on those from pre-recorded history.

In the words of the immortal poet, Ben Folds -- The more you know, you know you don't know shit...

Well, I mentioned it in the Must Watch Series thread but it's relevant here as well.

I just finished watching The Last Kingdom and I was fascinated with how they portrayed Alfred. He was one of those 1% you talked about earlier. The one man in his age that saw the value in writing things down. If he wasn't OCD about his ink, we'd have virtually no written accounts of the roughly 600 years between the collapse of the Romans and the arrival of the Normans.

Not that the period was a marvel of human innovation at all but it demonstrates the fragility of a human history that was largely word of mouth for over 5000 years. We have barely scratched the surface in understanding ancient cultures.

[bsp4444]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

There are a lot more valid questions than valid answers imho. I read "The Atlantis Blueprint" by Wilson & Flem-Ath when it came out in 2000, and it uncovered all (or at least compiled) all the mathematical brilliance/mystery of the Giza pyramids and how they used Fibonacci numbers (long before it was named) and celestial alignment, and their placement in relation to the earth's land mass. I haven't changed my mind a bit in 25 years...humans, if civilzation began with the Sumerians in 4000 bce at the earliest, in no way could pull off the construction of multiple pyramids in the center of the earth's land mass, using near perfect footprints, Orion algnment, the Fibonacci sequence etc. It takes a long time to accumulate that much knowledge...I wonder if we will ever find evidence of the glithed sites where the builders got it wrong and had to scrap the whole damned thing and start over!

Sounds similar to what was covered in Graham Hancock's "Fingerprints of the Gods".

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

New Kingdom is not the Old Kingdom. Old Kingdom, the bronze age. New Kingdom is iron age. There is a 650 year difference, two intermediate periods, and the Middle Kingdom between them.

Everyone's army in the bronze age was made of a warrior elite with bronze armor and weapons with lighter armed peasant archers, slingers, and skirmishers since the materials for making bronze were somewhat rare and expensive. Unlike later iron ore which is incredibly common.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but Egypt at the time of Giza pyramid construction was absolutely capable and even expanded its footprint.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

I only know that carbon is needed...how accurate would you say c dating could get if dating something 5,000 yrs old? 100 years? 1,000 yrs?

I'm an historian, not a physicist but my understanding is that the older the object, the less accurate the dating is.

So using carbon dating for things 10's of thousands of years old and even older isn't all that relevant.

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by bsp4444

Sounds similar to what was covered in Graham Hancock's "Fingerprints of the Gods".

I never read that, and I'm sure there is a lot of overlap. I think "The Atlantis Blueprint" focues more on the pyramids, and less on lost time frames and lost civilizations. I'm sure both are fascinating and worth reading a few times.

[htismaqe]

There's definitely something to the lost civilization theories. Think about it this way - we thought Homer's Troy was a mythical place for what, 3 millennia before archaeologists dug up the real city?

[O.city]

Past about 40k years, the isotopes are a bit to indistinguishable to be super accurate

So out past that, you've gotta use other techniques.

[BigRedChief]

I went to Egypt circa 1983. Took a Taxi(was cheaper than a bus) from Eilat in Israel to Cairo. No air conditioning as we make our way through Negev desert the Taxi driver stops the Taxi goes out into the desert about 10 yards, pulls down his pants and takes a shit. Wipes his ass with sand, pours a little water on his hand to wipe the shit/sand off his hand. Starts driving again. We are in the middle if a huge desert, the smell from the driver and the 120 degree weather in a car without air con. We considered getting put in the middle of the desert and hitchhike the rest of the way but we didn't have enough water..... it was not my favorite taxi ride.

The pyramids at night was fantastic. We climbed up the Giza pyramid and watched the sunset. It was against the law but tourists were just told to get off there. Egyptian museum was fantastic. The city was a shithole. Women are not safe. Back then the locals were raping women was common, no reprecussions unless it was someone's wife.

I'd seriosly skip this if its on your bucket list. It's just not a safe place.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

There's definitely something to the lost civilization theories. Think about it this way - we thought Homer's Troy was a mythical place for what, 3 millennia before archaeologists dug up the real city?

It's funny how often we take a single source as 'fact' (for instance, Herodotus) and then dismiss that same source if/when he starts talking about events we're predisposed to dismiss.

So much of what we claim to know about the Persian empire, for instance, comes from one or two guys and word of mouth. And it becomes unassailable truth.