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Old 09-17-2004, 01:02 PM  
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How Many Yards Will Deshaun Foster Rush for Sunday
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Old 09-17-2004, 05:37 PM   #46
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I don't doubt Foster's talent. His line might hold him back though. I think Carolina's D is on par with our O and with injuries their O is equal to our D so I see a close game...high scoring though. I too drafted him in the 12th round expecting a Davis injury. Not this early in the season though. He will sit on my bench behind Dom Davis and LT...primarily because of their O line (3 new starters.)
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Old 09-17-2004, 05:56 PM   #47
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Old 09-17-2004, 06:00 PM   #48
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Old 09-17-2004, 06:07 PM   #49
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He will sit on my bench behind Dom Davis and LT...primarily because of their O line (3 new starters.)
so which is weaker .. .their O line or our D line?
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Old 09-17-2004, 07:01 PM   #50
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Kawika Mitchell = Ray Lewis

Deshaun Foster = Donnell Bennett




check and check ....
That doesn't even make any sense.

Let's stick to the facts.

The guy averages 3.3ypc when he starts and has a career long run of 21 yards.
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Old 09-17-2004, 07:07 PM   #51
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I can't believe people are more worried about a guy who's carried the ball 20 times in a game twice in his career than they are about a guy who's finished in the top 5 in rushing in the NFC almost every season the last 6 seasons or so.

That's almost like thinking that we don't need McCardell because Richard Smith is ready to be a #1 WR.

That one's for you, Laz.
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I can't believe people are more worried about a guy who's carried the ball 20 times in a game twice in his career than they are about a guy who's finished in the top 5 in rushing in the NFC almost every season the last 6 seasons or so.

That's almost like thinking that we don't need McCardell because Richard Smith is ready to be a #1 WR.

That one's for you, Laz.
which one ... missed this one
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Old 09-17-2004, 07:27 PM   #53
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That doesn't even make any sense.

Let's stick to the facts.

The guy averages 3.3ypc when he starts and has a career long run of 21 yards.
but his career consists of 118 careers... following a big knee injury.



Foster is a slasher, who has more breakaway speed than Davis



pick your poison


our defense has a bad habit of giving up the big play. i would prefer a running back who is less likely to take the big play for 80 yards ... instead of taking it for 15 yrds.


imo Davis is a guy designed for 5-15 yrd runs ... foster has more homerun capability.


his stats are an incomplete sampling due to injury and a short career.
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Old 09-17-2004, 07:33 PM   #54
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You're a guy that believes that we need McCardell because Smith is unproven, right?

It was a good-natured jab...
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I can't believe people are more worried about a guy who's carried the ball 20 times in a game twice in his career than they are about a guy who's finished in the top 5 in rushing in the NFC almost every season the last 6 seasons or so.

That's almost like thinking that we don't need McCardell because Richard Smith is ready to be a #1 WR.

That one's for you, Laz.
Quentin Griffin had carried the ball 20 times in a game twice in his career and had a career YPC average of 3.7 before last week...

I think Foster's a better back than Griffin, nothing to do with stats, just having watched them play. I like Foster's size/speed combo. He better not have more yards than Griffin though, we're playing at home and they have an O-line that hasn't worked together much having to deal with the noise at Arrowhead.

Also... don't forget Foster played very well in the playoffs last year. He rushed 21 times-95 yards against the Rams, 14 rushes, 60 yds against the Eagles, and 3 carries, 43 yds against the Pats in the Super Bowl.
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Old 09-17-2004, 07:43 PM   #56
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You're a guy that believes that we need McCardell because Smith is unproven, right?

It was a good-natured jab...
oh ...


actually i'm undecided/indifferent on the McCardell issue


would he be an upgrade? imo he would, but at what cost?


first, we would have to make a trade for him ... enter carl peterson and his chitty negotiation skills. more often than not, we get screwed.

we would prolly pay a uber premium in trade for McCardell

second, we would prolly have to give McCardell a new contract ... enter Carl again ... how nasty would that be?

how much you want to pay for a 32 year old receiver????


IMO we made the decision to not do anything in the offseason so we are probably stuck with the guys we got.


i have a higher opinion of Johnny morton that most around here though too.... so
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Old 09-17-2004, 07:46 PM   #57
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but his career consists of 118 careers... following a big knee injury.


Not enough carries to make an adequate assessment? That's good enough to explain away Foster's mediocre numbers? Are you sure that's not an excuse?

Foster's rookie season:
zero carries, zero yards, zero rushing TD's, active for ZERO games
Foster's career:
116 carries, 441 yards, zero TD's, 3.8 ypc

The rookie season of the biggest bust in recent Chiefs memory:
20 carries, 85 yards, 1 TD, 4.3 ypc

I sense a double standard here.

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Foster is a slasher, who has more breakaway speed than Davis

pick your poison

our defense has a bad habit of giving up the big play. i would prefer a running back who is less likely to take the big play for 80 yards ... instead of taking it for 15 yrds.

imo Davis is a guy designed for 5-15 yrd runs ... foster has more homerun capability.
I'm sorry but I cannot agree less. Davis has 35 rushes for 20 or more yards, or 2% of his career carries. His career long is 76 yards. Foster has one run of longer than 20 yards in 116 carries, or .9%, and that run was a mere 21 yards. Davis has a 20+ run once in every 49 carries. Foster has a 20+ run once in every 116 carries.

Foster's "homerun capability" up to this point, is non-existent, and as I said before, he's played several bad run defenses, including Indy and Houston, who was WORSE than us last season.

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his stats are an incomplete sampling due to injury and a short career.
There's that double-standard again.
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Old 09-17-2004, 07:51 PM   #58
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Quentin Griffin had carried the ball 20 times in a game twice in his career and had a career YPC average of 3.7 before last week...

I think Foster's a better back than Griffin, nothing to do with stats, just having watched them play. I like Foster's size/speed combo. He better not have more yards than Griffin though, we're playing at home and they have an O-line that hasn't worked together much having to deal with the noise at Arrowhead.

Also... don't forget Foster played very well in the playoffs last year. He rushed 21 times-95 yards against the Rams, 14 rushes, 60 yds against the Eagles, and 3 carries, 43 yds against the Pats in the Super Bowl.
Griffin started 2 games last year. In one of those starts he rushed for 136 yards and a 4.9 average. He had proven on AT LEAST one occasion that he could actually perform in a situation where he was the #1 starter.

Foster hasn't. I agree, he looks very good on the field. But he's not facing fresh defenses. He's facing guys that have already been subject to Stephen Davis.
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Griffin started 2 games last year. In one of those starts he rushed for 136 yards and a 4.9 average. He had proven on AT LEAST one occasion that he could actually perform in a situation where he was the #1 starter.

Foster hasn't. I agree, he looks very good on the field. But he's not facing fresh defenses. He's facing guys that have already been subject to Stephen Davis.
With an almost new O-Line. Definitely not the one Stephen Davis ran behind for 1400+ last year.
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Also, I want to clarify, just in case anybody is misunderstanding.

I'm NOT saying I'm not worried about Foster. I've seen him play, I think he's got the tools.

I AM saying that I think it's CRAZY to be more worried about him than it is to be worried about a 2-time NFC rushing champ...
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