Season IS not OVER... - Page 2

Valiant · 09-19-2004, 02:09 PM

We have sucked for two games in a row now...

Everybody knew deep down our defense was not good enough to keep us in games.. Hell if we happen to keep the other teams running backs under 120 yards it will be a good game...

Our offense will come around, this is two weeks in a row we have faced great teams..

All we have to do is win our division..

Denver lost also, the season is not over, quit crying.... I am pissed off very much from todays game, but we can still finish the season strong..

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Green has played like crap today, but he has about seven dropped passes and running for his life...

Our coaches two weeks now have shitty O-playcalling...

Penalties are killing us...

but life goes on...

PastorMikH · 09-19-2004, 02:27 PM

Listen Valient, I am not jumping ship here. But as a fan I am thoroughly upset at the way my team played today. Thoroughly upset. The Chiefs beat themselves with their stupid mistakes and poor prep/execution today. If things don't change, we are going to lose a lot of games this year. Any fan that doesn't see this needs to take the homer glasses off.

**the Talking Can** · 09-19-2004, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

Actually the D is a little better than last year but the offense is A LOT worse than last year.

when did the D play this bad at home last year, besides the playoff?

we've let 2 terrible offenses without thier superstars march up and down the field....this defense is beyond bad....way beyond bad...

VonneMarie · 09-19-2004, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Hmm..yea good points.....the Run D is dreadful though...im serious when i say this, the worst ive ever seen in the NFL

But we held them to 2.8 a carry in the first half...

Also, the season is waaaaay over.

whoman69 · 09-19-2004, 02:30 PM

No its not over, but we certainly have no margin for error now.

KCWolfman · 09-19-2004, 02:30 PM

I am not one of the resident doom and gloomers, but to be honest, I see no gelling on D at all.

I see more horrible tackling and simple missed assingments. Cunningham has not produced the product we were promised and I bet he will end up taking the blame in the long run. I don't see us winning the division. Someone please quote me and make me eat my words later. I will thank you if I am wrong.

That said, I would watch the last game if we were 0-15. I like the sport and the matchups and I love the team. So no matter how bad it is, I am still enjoying the game.

B2chiefsfan · 09-19-2004, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Well then step up and do not post on the Chiefs BB until the season if officially over... I mean you and everybody else jumping ship could do the fans staying a favor and help our connect to the BB... IF you are done with the team should not be another word/topic/thread out of you about the Chiefs... Don't Taco/Kerry out in two weeks and come back..

How many fans just jumped ship at ArrowHead today?? That was a tall tell sign of what dedicted Chiefs Fan feel right....CHEATED!!! I felt bad for those dedicated Chiefs fans there today and this season is only going to get worse if the Chiefs staff doesn't make a move and do it quick. fuck the Draft picks, The Chiefs need play makers now...

Michael Michigan · 09-19-2004, 02:34 PM

Put Away the Panic Button
Sep 15, 2004, 4:12:31 AM

by Bob Gretz

It was as easy to predict as the swallows returning to the mission at San Juan Capistrano every spring.

The Chiefs lost the season opener to Denver by 10 points and a cadre of red and gold fans reach in the bottom drawer of their desks, pull out the panic button and start pounding away.

This year’s overreaction comes with an interesting twist. Some fans want the Chiefs to make immediately trades for either WR Keenan McCardell of Tampa Bay and/or CB Mike McKenzie of Green Bay. Both of these players are under contract to their teams, but are holding out because they want more money. In the minds of some panicked fans, McCardell and McKenzie can come in and turnaround the Chiefs season.

Yes, I know the Chiefs have only played one game, but this kind of thinking does exist. It will only grow louder should they stumble against Carolina this weekend. I hear from fans all the time that believe the savior for the Chiefs in 2004 is somewhere other than Arrowhead Stadium. Fueled by the blather of sports talk radio – where talking about trades that will never happen is considered cutting edge commentary – there are certain fans that start believing the way to salvation is to buy someone else’s problems.

Bring up the idea of these deals around Arrowhead Stadium and the reaction is pretty immediate. First, neither Tampa Bay nor Green Bay is trying to trade these players. Secondly, the Chiefs have no interest in McCardell. They would have some interest in McKenzie, simply because he’s a younger player.

But they are not going to give up the high draft choices that would be demanded if either player was available and they certainly aren’t going to throw a ton of money at either player to make them happy.

In McCardell’s case, he had a chance to play for the Chiefs back in 2002. That year the Chiefs made a contract offer that was very competitive to the one he now dislikes in Tampa Bay. The reason he signed with the Bucs was this: Tampa guaranteed his second-year base salary. That’s something the Chiefs, and most other teams in the league, wouldn’t do.

If you are one of those fans that think McCardell and/or McKenzie are the answer then riddle me this: why would these guys be any happier wearing a Chiefs uniform? And, quite obviously another question comes up: where are their priorities? Obviously, these two guys have placed personal financial gain ahead of their teams. Both have contracts they freely signed just two years ago. They took the money, a lot of money, that was offered then and now they want more.

McCardell has been paid $3.5 million by Tampa Bay over the last two years. His salary for this season is $2 million. McKenzie signed a contract extension in 2002 that gave him $3.5 million to sign and includes $2.75 million in salary for this season. In the last two years the Packers have paid him $5.25 million.

After the first week of the season, these guys are out a combined $279,411.76. Obviously, these guys are not so underpaid that they can’t afford to walk away from more than a quarter of a million dollars; not with the more than $8 million combined dollars they’ve reaped in the previous two years.

McCardell is 34 years old and a career No. 2 receiver. The only reason he led the Bucs in receiving last year was they cut Keyshawn Johnson loose after 10 games. Don’t the Chiefs have enough 30-year old plus, second receivers on their roster now?

McKenzie is 28 years old and has some time remaining on his career. But, it seems that since he came into the league, he’s always been moaning and groaning about his contract. In five seasons, he’s never been selected to the Pro Bowl, so his complaining far out weighs his stature among his peers and league coaches.

McCardell and McKenzie are not the answer for the Chiefs.

The opinions offered in this column do not necessarily reflect those of the Kansas City Chiefs.

A former beat reporter who covered the Pittsburgh Steelers during their glory years, Gretz covered the Chiefs for the Kansas City Star for nine years before heading up KCFX-FM's sports department. He is a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame's Board of Selectors. His column appears three times a week during the season.

PastorMikH · 09-19-2004, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

when did the D play this bad at home last year, besides the playoff?

we've let 2 terrible offenses without thier superstars march up and down the field....this defense is beyond bad....way beyond bad...

How much of the game did you see? You yourself said you missed the entire first half.

The D held them to 127 yards in the first half. Then in the second half they were on the field forever. When the Offense got on the field they couldn't wait to give carolina back the ball. The D did step up and get the ball back for the offesne several times only to have the offense sputter and fail.

As ticked as I am, I can't put all the blame here on the D. Crap, they have got to get a rest once in a while and the offense wouldn't stay out there long enough for them to catch their breath.

Michael Michigan · 09-19-2004, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by B2chiefsfan

How many fans just jumped ship at ArrowHead today?? That was a tall tell sign of what dedicted Chiefs Fan feel right....CHEATED!!! I felt bad for those dedicated Chiefs fans there today and this season is only going to get worse if the Chiefs staff doesn't make a move and do it quick. fuck the Draft picks, The Chiefs need play makers now...

As a fan--I can't understand why anyone would spend a dime on this team.

Valiant · 09-19-2004, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

Listen Valient, I am not jumping ship here. But as a fan I am thoroughly upset at the way my team played today. Thoroughly upset. The Chiefs beat themselves with their stupid mistakes and poor prep/execution today. If things don't change, we are going to lose a lot of games this year. Any fan that doesn't see this needs to take the homer glasses off.

Hey I said/wrote they have sucked majorily two weeks in a row now... But guess what, I am not going around ranting i am leaving/never being a Chiefs fan agian.. There are a lot of people on here being a Chiefs fan because of last year..

We have played to great teams this year with our shitty defense and our offense playing like crap and lost by 10 and 11... No homer about it, our team will come along and half if not all of this whiney ass posters will act as all is good agian... Our team is sucking, buck and quit acting like you are not going to watch or support the team agian...

Braincase · 09-19-2004, 02:35 PM

Valiant · 09-19-2004, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by B2chiefsfan

How many fans just jumped ship at ArrowHead today?? That was a tall tell sign of what dedicted Chiefs Fan feel right....CHEATED!!! I felt bad for those dedicated Chiefs fans there today and this season is only going to get worse if the Chiefs staff doesn't make a move and do it quick. fuck the Draft picks, The Chiefs need play makers now...

How often do the Fans leave early in any game... I think you need to go and watch most of our games last year.. If we are losing or winning big, fans leave...

Sure-Oz · 09-19-2004, 02:36 PM

Your right its not over but it is not looking good at all right now.

**Baby Lee** · 09-19-2004, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

fuck you, Vlad. You fucking puzzy. This is the team you wanted. This is the team you told all us defensive homers to step out of the way and let the new age, rock and roll, plastic banana, good time offensive wack packers have their day. Admit it. You were an idiot to root for what has transpired, and the sad state of this team is a result of your deranged conception of what makes a quality NFL team.

**Donger** · 09-19-2004, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

As ticked as I am, I can't put all the blame here on the D. Crap, they have got to get a rest once in a while and the offense wouldn't stay out there long enough for them to catch their breath.

Absolutely. When was the last time the offense scored only one TD during a game at Arrowhead?

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Valiant Valiant 'The Thread Killer' Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $4532380	Season IS not OVER... We have sucked for two games in a row now... Everybody knew deep down our defense was not good enough to keep us in games.. Hell if we happen to keep the other teams running backs under 120 yards it will be a good game... Our offense will come around, this is two weeks in a row we have faced great teams.. All we have to do is win our division.. Denver lost also, the season is not over, quit crying.... I am pissed off very much from todays game, but we can still finish the season strong.. ------------------------------------ Green has played like crap today, but he has about seven dropped passes and running for his life... Our coaches two weeks now have shitty O-playcalling... Penalties are killing us... but life goes on...
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PastorMikH Will KC ever be better? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Land of Red Dirt & Necks Casino cash: $9905087	Listen Valient, I am not jumping ship here. But as a fan I am thoroughly upset at the way my team played today. Thoroughly upset. The Chiefs beat themselves with their stupid mistakes and poor prep/execution today. If things don't change, we are going to lose a lot of games this year. Any fan that doesn't see this needs to take the homer glasses off. __________________
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KCWolfman Fall down 7 times, get up 8 Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I am not one of the resident doom and gloomers, but to be honest, I see no gelling on D at all. I see more horrible tackling and simple missed assingments. Cunningham has not produced the product we were promised and I bet he will end up taking the blame in the long run. I don't see us winning the division. Someone please quote me and make me eat my words later. I will thank you if I am wrong. That said, I would watch the last game if we were 0-15. I like the sport and the matchups and I love the team. So no matter how bad it is, I am still enjoying the game.
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09-19-2004, 02:34 PM	#22
Michael Michigan scribe Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Put Away the Panic Button Sep 15, 2004, 4:12:31 AM by Bob Gretz It was as easy to predict as the swallows returning to the mission at San Juan Capistrano every spring. The Chiefs lost the season opener to Denver by 10 points and a cadre of red and gold fans reach in the bottom drawer of their desks, pull out the panic button and start pounding away. This year’s overreaction comes with an interesting twist. Some fans want the Chiefs to make immediately trades for either WR Keenan McCardell of Tampa Bay and/or CB Mike McKenzie of Green Bay. Both of these players are under contract to their teams, but are holding out because they want more money. In the minds of some panicked fans, McCardell and McKenzie can come in and turnaround the Chiefs season. Yes, I know the Chiefs have only played one game, but this kind of thinking does exist. It will only grow louder should they stumble against Carolina this weekend. I hear from fans all the time that believe the savior for the Chiefs in 2004 is somewhere other than Arrowhead Stadium. Fueled by the blather of sports talk radio – where talking about trades that will never happen is considered cutting edge commentary – there are certain fans that start believing the way to salvation is to buy someone else’s problems. Bring up the idea of these deals around Arrowhead Stadium and the reaction is pretty immediate. First, neither Tampa Bay nor Green Bay is trying to trade these players. Secondly, the Chiefs have no interest in McCardell. They would have some interest in McKenzie, simply because he’s a younger player. But they are not going to give up the high draft choices that would be demanded if either player was available and they certainly aren’t going to throw a ton of money at either player to make them happy. In McCardell’s case, he had a chance to play for the Chiefs back in 2002. That year the Chiefs made a contract offer that was very competitive to the one he now dislikes in Tampa Bay. The reason he signed with the Bucs was this: Tampa guaranteed his second-year base salary. That’s something the Chiefs, and most other teams in the league, wouldn’t do. If you are one of those fans that think McCardell and/or McKenzie are the answer then riddle me this: why would these guys be any happier wearing a Chiefs uniform? And, quite obviously another question comes up: where are their priorities? Obviously, these two guys have placed personal financial gain ahead of their teams. Both have contracts they freely signed just two years ago. They took the money, a lot of money, that was offered then and now they want more. McCardell has been paid $3.5 million by Tampa Bay over the last two years. His salary for this season is $2 million. McKenzie signed a contract extension in 2002 that gave him $3.5 million to sign and includes $2.75 million in salary for this season. In the last two years the Packers have paid him $5.25 million. After the first week of the season, these guys are out a combined $279,411.76. Obviously, these guys are not so underpaid that they can’t afford to walk away from more than a quarter of a million dollars; not with the more than $8 million combined dollars they’ve reaped in the previous two years. McCardell is 34 years old and a career No. 2 receiver. The only reason he led the Bucs in receiving last year was they cut Keyshawn Johnson loose after 10 games. Don’t the Chiefs have enough 30-year old plus, second receivers on their roster now? McKenzie is 28 years old and has some time remaining on his career. But, it seems that since he came into the league, he’s always been moaning and groaning about his contract. In five seasons, he’s never been selected to the Pro Bowl, so his complaining far out weighs his stature among his peers and league coaches. McCardell and McKenzie are not the answer for the Chiefs. The opinions offered in this column do not necessarily reflect those of the Kansas City Chiefs. A former beat reporter who covered the Pittsburgh Steelers during their glory years, Gretz covered the Chiefs for the Kansas City Star for nine years before heading up KCFX-FM's sports department. He is a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame's Board of Selectors. His column appears three times a week during the season. __________________ <<<<<>>>>> ...With all the romance of the TonTon Macoute...
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