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Old 09-19-2004, 04:55 PM  
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In a post game interview, it was clear that Gunther is starting to realize the mountain he's faced with climbing.

He talked about how they practiced the plays Carolina ran all week, and practiced the exact short pass play that Denver and Carolina both scored on. But the guys just keep making the same mistakes. He also threw McCleon under the bus...keep your eye out for Bartee in the starting line-up soon. Talked about how poorly our secondary played (#44 being the one bright spot). Also mentioned the shitfull tackling.

It's obvious that our guys in the defensive backfield suck. Barber is non-existent. Mitchell and Beisel both over-commit on every misdirection play. Our safeties are soft, and can't hit or tackle. McCleon is not suited to be a starter at this point.

The tackling is fucking brutal. How hard is it to teach these guys to wrap up? Why do we never lay good hits? Why does our entire secondary stand and watch when we get the QB in trouble? This defense isn't getting better. Until we can cover downfield, all the QB pressure in the world won't save us (as Delhomme demonstrated).

I was wrong. It's not the scheme. It's the players.
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:23 PM   #16
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Whats sad is......I have a bad feeling Gunther is gonna be mad a scapegoat when the season is over. Carl and DV figured that they couldnt go wrong with bringing him in. If he worked wonders and turned the D around they look brilliant for hiring him back. If the D collapses and doesnt change then they can blame it all on him instead of themselves for their own bad decisions in the draft and free agency...

I think Whitlock wrote a column about this a few months back..?
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:23 PM   #17
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I really dont think its gonna matter...I think these guys are playing hard and trying their best...they just dont have the talent to match up sorry to say......Not much u can do to fix that.

Probably not and as I said during the offseason along with replacing Grob they needed to replace the defensive talent as well. All you had to do was to look back at the 2000 Rams when they replaced all of their defensive staff, some which are with the Chiefs now, and they started 7 new defensive starters and they went to the Super Bowl in large part to their new D. This isn't rocket science yet CP and DV seem clueless.
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:27 PM   #18
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Probably not and as I said during the offseason along with replacing Grob they needed to replace the defensive talent as well. All you had to do was to look back at the 2000 Rams when they replaced all of their defensive staff, some which are with the Chiefs now, and they started 7 new defensive starters and they went to the Super Bowl in large part to their new D. This isn't rocket science yet CP and DV seem clueless.

Yep..good example...that 2000 Rams defense was horrible! But they didnt stand pat and bring back the same damn players!! They fired all the deadwewight including coaches and players! brought in some fresh blood...But No..we couldnt do that....because that would mean that Carl and DV were wrong about Morton, Sims, McCleon, Bartee, Hicks, Barber etc.....
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:27 PM   #19
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Whats sad is......I have a bad feeling Gunther is gonna be mad a scapegoat when the season is over. Carl and DV figured that they couldnt go wrong with bringing him in. If he worked wonders and turned the D around they look brilliant for hiring him back. If the D collapses and doesnt change then they can blame it all on him instead of themselves for their own bad decisions in the draft and free agency...

I think Whitlock wrote a column about this a few months back..?
But would anybody believe CP and DV if they tried that? Most fans and players aren't that stupid.
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:27 PM   #20
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deprogramming three years of Robinson's schemes doesn't happen overnight.

I agree though, if some of the players aren't getting it done on the field, bench their azzes, maybe that will get the point through...




or they could try shock therapy...
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:30 PM   #21
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Yep..good example...that 2000 Rams defense was horrible! But they didnt stand pat and bring back the same damn players!! They fired all the deadwewight including coaches and players! brought in some fresh blood...But No..we couldnt do that....because that would mean that Carl and DV were wrong about Morton, Sims, McCleon, Bartee, Hicks, Barber etc.....
And the funny part is that some of their coaches, Peter Guinta and Carl Hairston, are now part of our staff. I hate Martz as a coach but hell he even saw that these coaches suck.
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:31 PM   #22
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deprogramming three years of Robinson's schemes doesn't happen overnight.

I agree though, if some of the players aren't getting it done on the field, bench their azzes, maybe that will get the point through...




or they could try shock therapy...
What bothers me is when Gun says they practiced the exact same plays that Carolina scored on all week long and yet they still couldn't stop them. That is pathetic.
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:31 PM   #23
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:32 PM   #24
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I don't believe Gunn will be made at DV at all!! DV went to Gunn to ask for help, I believe Gunn knew what he was coming into!

Sims needs to loose some weight HUGE time! Not going to ramble.......It is only game 2 and The CHIEFS have what it takes to make it............Do you all rememeber the schedule they are playing this year????? Not like last year. Look at what Warfield is doing and did today! Others that played under Gunn know the system, give them time...

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Old 09-19-2004, 05:33 PM   #25
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And the funny part is that some of their coaches, Peter Guinta and Carl Hairston, are now part of our staff. I hate Martz as a coach but hell he even saw that these coaches suck.
yep, now granted..im sure DV would defend them and say..they were party of my Super Bowl staff....but that 1999 Rams D wasnt really that great either....that team had a super easy schedule that year that benifited them greatly......thier division the NFC West was horrible that year.....
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:35 PM   #26
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The talent isn't there on the DLINE at all, we have no pass rusher. Eric Hicks is the softest guy out there. The corners aren't too bad but we never got any pressure and when we did it was too late. The LB's are horrible. I just hope we can manage to get better, but next year which may be our last year, things need to be changed with our talent on defense and WR. I am sick of seeing priests games go to waste.
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yep, now granted..im sure DV would defend them and say..they were party of my Super Bowl staff....but that 1999 Rams D wasnt really that great either....that team had a super easy schedule that year that benifited them greatly......thier division the NFC West was horrible that year.....
Yep that's why last year was the year. Very easy schedule just like the 99 Rams. We wasted it with a shitty ass D.
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:35 PM   #28
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What bothers me is when Gun says they practiced the exact same plays that Carolina scored on all week long and yet they still couldn't stop them. That is pathetic.
that's what I mean by 'deprogramming.' these players heads are full of knobinson's shit that's been pounded into them over the last few years, when they get into the heat of battle, they revert.

It'll take time, but the D will improve.

with that being said, the rooks should get more PT.




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We were next to last in rushing defense after week one. We gave up 202 yards to the Broncos. Only the Bengals gave up more, to the Jets, with 219 last week. Since the Bengals play the fish tonight, I think it is safe to say we will be last in rushing defense after week #2.

So much for "taking away thier heart".
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"Deprogramming" huh? is that the latest spin over at the Peterson household?

This isn't learning/unlearning scheme, or technique, or attitude. This is lacking the basic skill set that allows you to get to the ball.

Grob didn't "program" them to tackle poorly or over-commit on misdirection. He didn't "program" them to repeat the same mistakes on identical plays after a week's worth of practicing it.
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