****ing Q&A w/ DV - 09/20/04 - Page 2

Logical · 09-20-2004, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

There is a difference between whether or not you care about the end result and whether or not you understand the game.
If you see flashes of brilliance, followed by a breakdown, you treat that condition much different than seeing nothing of redeeming value.

I suppose the interceptions could be flashes of brilliance but those are the only two flashes I saw yesterday. The offense was even worse. The team is foundering thus far with no bright spots and barely any illumination.

Wile_E_Coyote · 09-20-2004, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

That's perfectly fine, . . . as a fan's take. As a take of someone denigrating the football knowledge of an NFL coach, it's shit. Plain and simple.

That's brilliant, ignore anything any player might be doing right. Go into the practice facility with the red ass, yelling "you're all shit, and can't do anything right. There's nothing to be improved upon. . . . Matter of fact, hand me my blowtorch. I'm burning this whole thing to the ground."

JC Johnny is back

jspchief · 09-20-2004, 06:41 PM

That is the biggest pile of lies I think I've ever heard. He's lying about the defense. He's lying about why Holmes sat. He's lying about Green's play. He's lying about our WR separation.

It's all bullsh*t. He needs to quit babying his players and call some people out for poor play. He needs to light some fires, not sugarcoat. It's no wonder the team has no heart right now, they're being coached by Stuart Smiley.

Raiderhater · 09-20-2004, 06:45 PM

Good grief, I'd hate to work for some of you people.

**The Bad Guy** · 09-20-2004, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by raiderhader

Good grief, I'd hate to work for some of you people.

If you accepted mediocrity like Vermeil does on defense then I would never hire you in the first place

Raiderhater · 09-20-2004, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

If you accepted mediocrity like Vermeil does on defense then I would never hire you in the first place

Once again, just because you see something in public does not mean it is the same behind closed doors.

Furthermore, not everyone agrees with you that the defense is to blame. Not everyone agrees with you that this defense is not making improvements. That is YOUR point of view.

DV sees good things and bad things, and he and his coaches will address both of these aspects with their players at the appropriate time. If you ignore the good things the players do and simply berate them all the time you will lose their respect. Just as is the case with any employer. Vermeil's job is to COACH, and that is what he is doing. He has a proven track record of turning teams around, including our own, and I am willing to give him the benifit of the doubt and assume that he has at least as much an idea about the game and the job as you and I, if not more so.

And considering he is the HC and making the big bucks, and you and I are not, he probably does know the game and the job better than we do. Does that mean that as a fan I am not going to question some of his decisions? Of course not. But until the team definitivley starts showing a regressing trend, I am not going to question his over all ability to do his job.

tk13 · 09-20-2004, 07:11 PM

The funny part is (Chiefs fans don't know or believe this), but until he came to KC Dick Vermeil had never really had a bad defensive team. All 7 years in Philly, and the first couple years in St. Louis, DV's defenses were better than his offenses. Only in 1999 (in his 10th season as a head coach)...the Rams blew up did the offense do better than the defense... and that Rams defense was still 4th in the league. That's one of those "assumed" fallacies because the Rams defense went to crap, but that was only after DV left. Actually until he came to KC, Dick Vermeil had never, ever coached a football team that did not finish in the top 20 in either defensive yards or points allowed... for his career DV has had 6 top ten defenses and 5 top ten offenses (using points scored/allowed).

Raiderhater · 09-20-2004, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

The funny part is (Chiefs fans don't know or believe this), but until he came to KC Dick Vermeil had never really had a bad defensive team. All 6 years in Philly, and the first couple years in St. Louis, DV's defenses were better than his offenses. Only in 1999 (in his 10th season as a head coach)...the Rams blew up did the offense do better than the defense... and that Rams defense was still 4th in the league. That's one of those "assumed" fallacies because the Rams defense went to crap, but that was only after DV left. Actually until he came to KC, Dick Vermeil had never, ever coached a football team that did not finish in the top 20 in either defensive yards or points allowed... for his career DV has had 6 top ten defenses and 5 top ten offenses (using points scored/allowed).

Yet he knows nothing about the defensive side of the game.

I'm not ready to start doubting the man yet. He has turned around three different teams and taken two of them to the big dance. It is only a matter of time before he takes the third......

FloridaChief · 09-20-2004, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

The funny part is (Chiefs fans don't know or believe this), but until he came to KC Dick Vermeil had never really had a bad defensive team. All 6 years in Philly, and the first couple years in St. Louis, DV's defenses were better than his offenses. Only in 1999 (in his 10th season as a head coach)...the Rams blew up did the offense do better than the defense... and that Rams defense was still 4th in the league. That's one of those "assumed" fallacies because the Rams defense went to crap, but that was only after DV left. Actually until he came to KC, Dick Vermeil had never, ever coached a football team that did not finish in the top 20 in either defensive yards or points allowed... for his career DV has had 6 top ten defenses and 5 top ten offenses (using points scored/allowed).

Not EVERY Chiefs fan is ignorant of this.

**the Talking Can** · 09-20-2004, 07:33 PM

Q: Then why wasn’t he in the game? I’m not sure I understand why he wasn’t in the game….

VERMEIL: “Because we didn’t want him in the game at the time. Is that a good enough answer? It had nothing to do with his injury because I walked right up to him and asked him and that’s the only thing I can tell you. The truth. That’s why he wasn’t in the game. The situation in a game like that down by 11 we just left him out of there.”
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they didn't want the best RB in the league in the game?

shaneo69 · 09-20-2004, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Q: Then why wasn’t he in the game? I’m not sure I understand why he wasn’t in the game….

VERMEIL: “Because we didn’t want him in the game at the time. Is that a good enough answer? It had nothing to do with his injury because I walked right up to him and asked him and that’s the only thing I can tell you. The truth. That’s why he wasn’t in the game. The situation in a game like that down by 11 we just left him out of there.”

"Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them"

go bo · 09-20-2004, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

The funny part is (Chiefs fans don't know or believe this), but until he came to KC Dick Vermeil had never really had a bad defensive team. All 7 years in Philly, and the first couple years in St. Louis, DV's defenses were better than his offenses. Only in 1999 (in his 10th season as a head coach)...the Rams blew up did the offense do better than the defense... and that Rams defense was still 4th in the league. That's one of those "assumed" fallacies because the Rams defense went to crap, but that was only after DV left. Actually until he came to KC, Dick Vermeil had never, ever coached a football team that did not finish in the top 20 in either defensive yards or points allowed... for his career DV has had 6 top ten defenses and 5 top ten offenses (using points scored/allowed).

thanks for injecting a little reality into the conversation...

PastorMikH · 09-20-2004, 08:28 PM

I am wondering more and more about Phil's comment in one of the 200 "is Priest hurt" threads this morning concerning Priest expressing disatisfaction with plays and either decided to sit or being told to sit as a result. The more I read, the more I think Phil has a point.

stevieray · 09-20-2004, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

I suppose the interceptions could be flashes of brilliance but those are the only two flashes I saw yesterday. The offense was even worse. The team is foundering thus far with no bright spots and barely any illumination.

Last year this squad had only forty neg yard tackles. They have 17 in two games.

I think alot of people could be eating crow by years end, Gun won't settle for guys who take themselves out of plays or keep tackling without wrapping up. He told us it would take a few games.

Chief Roundup · 09-20-2004, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Q: Then why wasn’t he in the game? I’m not sure I understand why he wasn’t in the game….

VERMEIL: “Because we didn’t want him in the game at the time. Is that a good enough answer? It had nothing to do with his injury because I walked right up to him and asked him and that’s the only thing I can tell you. The truth. That’s why he wasn’t in the game. The situation in a game like that down by 11 we just left him out of there.”
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they didn't want the best RB in the league in the game?

I read it as they gave up. Coaches and players.

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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1877500	The funny part is (Chiefs fans don't know or believe this), but until he came to KC Dick Vermeil had never really had a bad defensive team. All 7 years in Philly, and the first couple years in St. Louis, DV's defenses were better than his offenses. Only in 1999 (in his 10th season as a head coach)...the Rams blew up did the offense do better than the defense... and that Rams defense was still 4th in the league. That's one of those "assumed" fallacies because the Rams defense went to crap, but that was only after DV left. Actually until he came to KC, Dick Vermeil had never, ever coached a football team that did not finish in the top 20 in either defensive yards or points allowed... for his career DV has had 6 top ten defenses and 5 top ten offenses (using points scored/allowed). Last edited by tk13; 09-20-2004 at 07:19 PM..
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