Opinion update at the bye week... - Page 2

Gaz · 10-08-2004, 12:48 PM

Okay, we have that critical first win under our belt.

The Defense continues to improve and held Lewis to 73 yards on his home field.

The Offense showed that diverse attack that tore up the NFL last season.

The Special Teams…well, I’ll have to get back to you on that…

What is the current weakest point on the team. And, has this changed since pre-season?

xoxo~
Gaz
Aware of his critical need shifting from WR to LB to ST coverage.

el borracho · 10-08-2004, 01:30 PM

Penalties in all phases have been murderous but I chose offensive penalties simply because I expect more out of our offense.

Tinlar · 10-08-2004, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Feh.

The Defense held Lewis to 73 yards. That is an accomplishment by any measure.

xoxo~
Gaz
Giving credit where it is due.

I suppose if he had come out and ran for 20 yards a carry on three carries then been struck by lightning you would say the defense did a good job. His opportunities were limited by a strong offensive showing, don't mistake that for a sound run defense.

Tinlar · 10-08-2004, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JBret

The defense didn't stop Lewis? That's news to me. Sure he averaged 5 yards a carry, but it's not like he was getting 5 yards every time they handed him the ball in the first half. Most of the time it was 2 yards or less.

Lewis got 20 yards on his first carry, and like 40 on one drive in the third quarter (when we weren't stopping the run on first down).

5+ yards average, you said it yourself. We can't give that up and call it a good showing. Our defense was in the backfield a lot, I liked that. They were aggressive dealing with the runner and that's good, but hey didn't stop him, or even really slow him down. When he was on the field he did well.

Look, I'm not looking to dump on the victory, we needed the wn and I'm as happy as the next chiefs fan about it. I'm just not ready to start crapping rainbows yet.

Coogs · 10-08-2004, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinlar

The defense didn't hold Lewis, not even a little. The offense kept him off the field and made the defense stats look promising at best.

1st 7 Baltimore drives - thru 3 quarters....

1st - 7 plays... 36 yards... 50 yd FG
2nd- 3 plays... 0 yards... punt
3rd- 3 plays... 5 yards... punt
4th- 1 play... 57 yards... TD (trick play)
5th- 3 plays... 8 yards.... punt
6th- 1 play... -1 yard.... half
7th- 5plays... 21 yards... punt

I kind of thought the defense looked promising all by themselves.

Mark M · 10-08-2004, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinlar

I'm just not ready to start crapping rainbows yet.

Maybe not, but I bet JBret would be more than happy to "taste the rainbow" ...

MM
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ChiefsFanatik88 · 10-08-2004, 02:08 PM

Everything is a little bit of a problem except Kickoff Coverage. It is a major problem.
How's Dante gonna break the record this year if they can't block for him?
Putting the other team in favorable field position is another bitter pill.

Hydrae · 10-08-2004, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark M

The defense appears to be coming around, but only time will tell.

Right now, it's easily the ST coverage unit. And the issue is one that may plague KC the whole year.

Their best gunner, Bo, is out for the year. Biesel, who was just a freaking animal, is now the starting MLB, so it's too risky to play him there. And LJ -- a guy with the speed to be effective -- is too big a baby to play STs consistently.

The only way they are going to fix it is with attitude. They need someone to go "Bennie Thompson" and become a ST monster. Perhaps Sapp, maybe Caver, perhaps even Blaylock (who seems to be mixing it up a lot on STs lately).

MM
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Bingo!!!

I have been thinking about that the last couple of weeks. I think the loss of Bo hurt a lot. Add to that Beisel starting at LB (my choice on the poll BTW) and you have 2 of your best ST players from last year no longer there. This hurts on both sides of ST and is a huge factor in why Dante has not been able to break one yet this year.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 10-08-2004, 02:34 PM

Special Teams...BRING BACK LYLE WEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hammock Parties · 10-08-2004, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinlar

5+ yards average, you said it yourself. We can't give that up and call it a good showing. Our defense was in the backfield a lot, I liked that. They were aggressive dealing with the runner and that's good, but hey didn't stop him, or even really slow him down. When he was on the field he did well.

Jamal Lewis carries:

1: 18 yards
2: 3 yards
3: -1 yards
4: 1 yards
5: 2 yards
6: 3 yards
7: 5 yards
8: -2 yards

Then he gained 38 yards on one drive in the fourth quarter, a drive on which his shortest carry was 6 yards. For three quarters our defense stopped Jamal Lewis on the early downs and forced Baltimore into passing situations.

Yes the offense did a great job, but someone had to force those three and outs.

**grandllama** · 10-08-2004, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinlar

I suppose if he had come out and ran for 20 yards a carry on three carries then been struck by lightning you would say the defense did a good job. His opportunities were limited by a strong offensive showing, don't mistake that for a sound run defense.

You know, this whole damn argument is starting to chap my hide... the only way the offense ever got the ball so that they could stay on the field so long was that our defense GOT OFF the field... the way they are supposed to.

I said before the season if we could get to a middle of the pack defense I'd be happy... we're 14th in the league. I'm happy.

Tinlar · 10-08-2004, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by grandllama

You know, this whole damn argument is starting to chap my hide... the only way the offense ever got the ball so that they could stay on the field so long was that our defense GOT OFF the field... the way they are supposed to.

I said before the season if we could get to a middle of the pack defense I'd be happy... we're 14th in the league. I'm happy.

Don't get me wrong bubba, I'm happy too and if the defense that played Baltimore shows up for the next 14 I'll not bitch. This was their best showing so far, but call a spade a spade, this is a middle of the pack defense on good days. I love 'em with all my heart and yell for 'em every sunday, but them the facts.

HolmeZz · 10-08-2004, 04:02 PM

After the 18 yard misdirection toss play to start the game, Jamal rushed 14 times for 55 yards, a 3.9 YPC average. We did keep him in check.

Tinlar · 10-08-2004, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

1st 7 Baltimore drives - thru 3 quarters....

1st - 7 plays... 36 yards... 50 yd FG
2nd- 3 plays... 0 yards... punt
3rd- 3 plays... 5 yards... punt
4th- 1 play... 57 yards... TD (trick play)
5th- 3 plays... 8 yards.... punt
6th- 1 play... -1 yard.... half
7th- 5plays... 21 yards... punt

I kind of thought the defense looked promising all by themselves.

Cut out their drive that was killed at the half and it looks like this...

1: 36 yards - Field goal
2: 0 yards - Punt
3: 5 yards - Punt
4: 57 yards - Touchdown
5: 8 yards - Punt
6: 21 yards - Punt

Compared to our first 6 drives ...

1: 60yards - Touchdown
2: 53yards - Field goal
3: 3yards - Punt
4: 78yards - Touchdown
5: 9yards - Punt
6: 7yards - Punt

We are claiming our Offense and Defense dominated them but in that comparison we only kill one drive more than they did. My, point? That the above stats do not tell the tale of this game. We _DID_ dominate this game and that stat that shows it is ToP. The credit for that stat belongs to the offense and the shoulders & legs of Priest.

Tinlar · 10-08-2004, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz

After the 18 yard misdirection toss play to start the game, Jamal rushed 14 times for 55 yards, a 3.9 YPC average. We did keep him in check.

But you can't remove that misdirection play, it was legal and part of the game. They practice those plays, our defense practices to deal with plays like them and when the two hit those plays, like all other plays, can go either way.

I will not defend our defense by only talking about three quarters of play or ignoring plays. Especially when they had god things enough to talk about already, like key end of the game stops. But our defense did not dominate, or offense did an amazing job controlling the clock.

jspchief · 10-08-2004, 04:16 PM

Save your breath Tinlar. I've already been through this. Different people put a bigger emphasis on different stats. I'm with you, but you won't change anyone else's mind.

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Offense – WR	5	8.06%
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Special Teams – return team	0	0%
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Defense – LB	7	11.29%
Defense – CB	3	4.84%
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