The latest weak link in the Chiefs chain... - Page 2

Gaz · 10-18-2004, 07:12 AM

So much for “the best Offensive line in the NFL.”

The Jaguars got penetration all day long. The came up the middle and they came around the edges. The suckage on the OL was complete, from LT clear over to RT. Green was running for his life the entire game and there were no holes for Holmes. It was so bad that the staff threw Bober in there for a while.

It is easy to look at Tynes bad kicks and the complete and total owning of McCleon and howl in aguish. But if you want to see where the game was lost, look no further than the trenches. Where our strength used to reside.

xoxo~
Gaz
Has a NEW thing to worry about.

Demonpenz · 10-18-2004, 08:15 AM

As I have been saying all offseason, we will miss john tait this year!

Crush · 10-18-2004, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

There are higher powers at work here. The football gods did not want us to win the game, plain and simple. They helped us out last year, and we let them down. This year, its all coming back to bite us on the ass.

So you're saying that we need to sacrifice another goat?

Gaz · 10-18-2004, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

As I have been saying all offseason, we will miss john tait this year!

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Originally Posted by Gaz

oldandslow-

The problem is not Welbourn. Or perhaps I should say, the problem is not limited to Welbourn.

The Jaguars had their way with our entire OL. Inside and outside.’

xoxo~
Gaz
Wondering what is up with the OL formerly known as the best in the NFL.

It ain’t just Welbourn, folks.

The OL sucked from one end to the other.

xoxo~
Gaz
Sees a much broader problem.

oldandslow · 10-18-2004, 08:21 AM

Gaz - I agree. The entire OL was suspect yesterday. And JW can run block.

However, losing JT hurt. When you are 6 mil under the cap, why not keep a very good run and pass blocker instead of a one dimensional lineman?

**ptlyon** · 10-18-2004, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by oldandslow

Gaz - I agree. The entire OL was suspect yesterday. And JW can run block.

However, losing JT hurt. When you are 6 mil under the cap, why not keep a very good run and pass blocker instead of a one dimensional lineman?

Because it would have cost 34 million, not 6.

oldandslow · 10-18-2004, 08:34 AM

The Bears gave Tait a six-year, $33 million contract that included a $3 million signing bonus.

The final years of the contract are apt to be voided out.

So no - Pytlon - It did not cost 34 mil THIS year to keep JT.

MichaelH · 10-18-2004, 08:38 AM

Well I hope Tait's happy. Bastard!

BigChiefFan · 10-18-2004, 08:39 AM

Carl Peterson is the weak link. It all starts at the top.

whoman69 · 10-18-2004, 08:42 AM

They weren't up to par, but by far the weakest link is Dexter McCleon. I said when Gunther first came here that he would not be able to play in the new scheme. I'm surprised he has not been replace because he has been picked on and burned worse than Bartee ever did.

**ptlyon** · 10-18-2004, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by oldandslow

So no - Pytlon - It did not cost 34 mil THIS year to keep JT.

I didn't say it was all going to be this year, but thought someone would have taken it that way after I posted it.

Point is, that is TOO MUCH for that position, no matter how you do the numbers.

InChiefsHeaven · 10-18-2004, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

oldandslow-

The problem is not Welbourn. Or perhaps I should say, the problem is not limited to Welbourn.

The Jaguars had their way with our entire OL. Inside and outside.’

xoxo~
Gaz
Wondering what is up with the OL formerly known as the best in the NFL.

Zactly. But of course, being a good Chiefs fan, I must point the finger at the Zebras, at least on a couple of notable calls. Priest did break away for a nice long run which was called back on a holding call against Welbourn. When they showed the replay, I just about had a freakin' heart attack. The hold was minimal at best, basically the kind of hold that goes on all the freakin' time that never gets called.

The Gods are angry indeed. They gave us the greatest offense in football for 2 seasons, and now it's just too damn late.

God, it HURTS being a Chiefs fan...

**Bob Dole** · 10-18-2004, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MichaelH

That plus Priest never got to break one loose.

He did. Unfortunately, as has been the case too many times this season:

1-10-JAX 40 (14:37) 31-P.Holmes up the middle to JAX 15 for 25 yards (27-R.Mathis). PENALTY on KC-76-J.Welbourn, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at JAX 35.

**Rausch** · 10-18-2004, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by raiderhader

The weakest link is Saunders.

More play fakes would have given Green a bit more time in the pocket.

The Chiefs offense doesn not have an identity. We don't just maul it out and protect the defense like against Baltimore and we don't know if we want to try and open it up like the Rams and be a pass first team.

No aspect of this team has been reliable enough to "lean" on. No identity yet. This season reminds me of our first year with Priest where it took us about 6 games to understand HOW we needed to play...

**Rain Man** · 10-18-2004, 09:30 AM

Who got the sacks, anyway? I guess I didn't see Henderson and Stroud running amok. Welbourn made a few mistakes, including that ticky-tack holding call, and I thought Willie Roaf did fine handling his opponent's one-move speed rush. It looked like the guy was collapsing the pocket, but in reality Willie was just letting him run behind Trent.

That said, we gave up six sacks, which is the most we've given up in a long time. Who was getting them? It seemed like it was more linebackers based on my foggy memory.

Raiderhater · 10-18-2004, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

The Chiefs offense doesn not have an identity. We don't just maul it out and protect the defense like against Baltimore and we don't know if we want to try and open it up like the Rams and be a pass first team.

No aspect of this team has been reliable enough to "lean" on. No identity yet. This season reminds me of our first year with Priest where it took us about 6 games to understand HOW we needed to play...

I guess I can agree with that. Though, I know the identity that Saunders wants us to have, he wants the Ram style offense. I understand that he was brought in to do the job a certain way, but you have to be flexible, you have to realize what you have (as well as what you don't have) and make adjustments.

What we have is Priest Holmes, and used properly, he will help bring about that Ram style offense. Saunders needs to learn that the two are not mutually exclusive.

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Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	The latest weak link in the Chiefs chain... So much for “the best Offensive line in the NFL.” The Jaguars got penetration all day long. The came up the middle and they came around the edges. The suckage on the OL was complete, from LT clear over to RT. Green was running for his life the entire game and there were no holes for Holmes. It was so bad that the staff threw Bober in there for a while. It is easy to look at Tynes bad kicks and the complete and total owning of McCleon and howl in aguish. But if you want to see where the game was lost, look no further than the trenches. Where our strength used to reside. xoxo~ Gaz Has a NEW thing to worry about.
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oldandslow Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $3713149	Gaz - I agree. The entire OL was suspect yesterday. And JW can run block. However, losing JT hurt. When you are 6 mil under the cap, why not keep a very good run and pass blocker instead of a one dimensional lineman?
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oldandslow Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $3713149	The Bears gave Tait a six-year, $33 million contract that included a $3 million signing bonus. The final years of the contract are apt to be voided out. So no - Pytlon - It did not cost 34 mil THIS year to keep JT.
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