The latest weak link in the Chiefs chain... - Page 3

Gaz · 10-18-2004, 07:12 AM

So much for “the best Offensive line in the NFL.”

The Jaguars got penetration all day long. The came up the middle and they came around the edges. The suckage on the OL was complete, from LT clear over to RT. Green was running for his life the entire game and there were no holes for Holmes. It was so bad that the staff threw Bober in there for a while.

It is easy to look at Tynes bad kicks and the complete and total owning of McCleon and howl in aguish. But if you want to see where the game was lost, look no further than the trenches. Where our strength used to reside.

xoxo~
Gaz
Has a NEW thing to worry about.

htismaqe · 10-18-2004, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Who got the sacks, anyway? I guess I didn't see Henderson and Stroud running amok. Welbourn made a few mistakes, including that ticky-tack holding call, and I thought Willie Roaf did fine handling his opponent's one-move speed rush. It looked like the guy was collapsing the pocket, but in reality Willie was just letting him run behind Trent.

That said, we gave up six sacks, which is the most we've given up in a long time. Who was getting them? It seemed like it was more linebackers based on my foggy memory.

Akin Oyodele or whatever his name is...yes, they came from the linebackers...

CrazyHorse · 10-18-2004, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

So much for “the best Offensive line in the NFL.”

The Jaguars got penetration all day long. The came up the middle and they came around the edges. The suckage on the OL was complete, from LT clear over to RT. Green was running for his life the entire game and there were no holes for Holmes. It was so bad that the staff threw Bober in there for a while.

It is easy to look at Tynes bad kicks and the complete and total owning of McCleon and howl in aguish. But if you want to see where the game was lost, look no further than the trenches. Where our strength used to reside.

xoxo~
Gaz
Has a NEW thing to worry about.

I wish it were that easy. Our offensive line was put in a position to lose yesterday.

By constantly running the ball up the middle, and not running our sweep plays and screens to spread the defense, Saunders put our guys in a position to lose not only the game, but thier confidence. We ran one sweep for 10 yards. The rest of the runs were in the middle of the line giving the Jags the advantage. Not to mention, they didn't have to worry about the perimeter, so it gave them more options in thier pass rush combinations.

Not only did Saunders take us out of the game, he gave the Jags the best possible game senarios to beat us. He called plays were the matchups favored the Jags.

Besides anytime that Kennison is the 1st read, it is like playing with a handicap.

**Rain Man** · 10-18-2004, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Akin Oyodele or whatever his name is...yes, they came from the linebackers...

So who wasn't holding off the linebackers? Was it Richardson's fault? Or were the tackles or center not picking up their new assignments? I never saw anyone come in unblocked, which would imply that someone was getting to the linebacker, but getting beat.

WilliamTheIrish · 10-18-2004, 10:48 AM

Seemed to me on many, many occasions, Green had all day to find a guy, but their corners bottled up our guys.
Green got sacked 3 times when he stepped up in the pocket (after 3.5 sec's) and got got hit.

That said, a first down in that*edit* second to last drive was all we needed.

CrazyHorse · 10-18-2004, 10:50 AM

We looked like we were still playing the Ravens. The Chiefs attacked the Ravens linebackers instead of letting the LBs come to the O line on the perimeter. Though that worked for us in the Ravens game situation, it is not the type of run blocking team the Chiefs are.

We didn't play our game.

Green was sacked most of the time from behind. Meaning that he was holding the ball too long. We all know our recievers suck. But we were able to win in spite of that because we focused on the things we did well. Now we just can't seem to find our ass with both hands.

KCTitus · 10-18-2004, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by oldandslow

The Bears gave Tait a six-year, $33 million contract that included a $3 million signing bonus.

The final years of the contract are apt to be voided out.

So no - Pytlon - It did not cost 34 mil THIS year to keep JT.

No, it didnt cost 34, but it did cost 14M (11M Cap number) to keep him:

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Last Friday, the Bears signed Tait, 29, to a six-year, $34 million contract that includes $14 million in guaranteed money for 2004 and a salary cap charge of about $11 million for the upcoming season. Signing the offer sheet meant the Chiefs had seven days to match the offer or decline the contract.

TEX · 10-18-2004, 11:22 AM

FWIW, I would NOT have paid Tait that much either...

My question still is the same as it was a few months ago - With Welbourn, Bober, Williams and everyone else who tries to play RT absolutely $UCKING A$$, can someone tell me again why we released Marcus Spears so early in TC? He looks pretty good in a Texans uniform and even though he was/is nothing special, he can play RT better than anyone currently trying to play it now...

**ptlyon** · 10-18-2004, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

No, it didnt cost 34, but it did cost 14M (11M Cap number) to keep him:

Thanks Titus. That is what I was trying to get across.

Rep.

Mr. Laz · 10-18-2004, 11:33 AM

Welborn was not a tackle at philly, he was a 99% guard

we should of signed a real tackle or had welbourn play guard here and move shield out to right tackle.

shields is much smoother and quicker.... and is much better at handling the speed guys to the outside.

face it... we've made a string of bad personnel decisions and now they are biting us in the groin.

TEX · 10-18-2004, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by lazarus

Welborn was not a tackle at philly, he was a 99% guard

we should of signed a real tackle or had welbourn play guard here and move shield out to right tackle.

shields is much smoother and quicker.... and is much better at handling the speed guys to the outside.

face it... we've made a string of bad personnel decisions and now they are biting us in the groin.

You are absolutely correct. In any given season, some work and some don't.Most ALL our personnel decisions this past offseason have been wrong. And most were so obvious.

IMO, what's happening with the CHIEFS this season forces one to really question the old ," Coaches know best" excuse that gets played all the time regarding personnel decisions. Fact is, sometimes they don't...

2bikemike · 10-18-2004, 11:40 AM

I did not see the game only heard it on the net. The O line did not get old over night. They played a damn good ball game 2 weeks ago. I know Green was scrambling for his life. But from what I could hear it sounded to me like the play calling was off and nothing ever got on track until the 3rd qtr. We had a few nice drives. What was different I can't tell you.

I do believe we don't have the chemistry on the line like we used to and by the time we get enough it might be too late. This offense has sputtered quite a bit and I attributed it to the injuries and missing wideouts. Hopefully with everybody back Green can get reaquainted with his recievers. AS needs to get his playbook in order and stick with what is working. IMHO playcalling on both sides of the ball have been poor.

Jacksonville came out and out toughed us the way we did Bmore. I agree with Gaz the game was lost in the trenches. When we win in the trenches we win ball games.

Rick · 10-18-2004, 11:45 AM

That's ridiculous. They had one bad game in about 5 years. Our play-calling in the first half didn't exactly help them. They did not get bad since 2 weeks ago.

Chiefnj · 10-18-2004, 11:49 AM

The best way to keep a player is to sign him to a contract extension prior to his current contract expiring. It's what the Jets did with Pennington this offseason. The player feels the team takes care of him and the team benefits from not having the player sniff another contract.

That said, it takes two to reach an agreement. I don't believe for a second that Tait wanted to stay in KC. Second, 14 million for a RT is preposterous.

Next, this isn't the fault of Welbourn. He's a guard. That's where he was playing the last few years and playing well. Just because the team and media gives you good quotes about the guy having a "mean streak" doesn't mean you should buy it and assume he is going to scare speed rushers away from the QB.

In my humble armchair GM opinion, the fault lies with the scouting department and the player personnel department for not having an adequate backup tackle in place. They drafted a couple of tackles a few years back, I assume to address this contingency, and the players have not stepped up or earned a starting role.

It's tough to win if don't develop your draft picks.

Mr. Laz · 10-18-2004, 11:52 AM

the weakest link has been and continues to be our personnel dept.

bad drafting,bad free agency decision/philosophies continue to make our talent base weak.

Gaz · 10-18-2004, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

...They did not get bad since 2 weeks ago.

Yes they did get that bad.

Why? I dunno. But there is no doubt that our OL failed to open holes for Holmes and failed to block the Jaguars.

We lost the battle in the trenches and it showed. Both of our TDs came on improvisation by Green after scrambling for his life. Busted plays.

The OL stunk yesterday. Not just Welbourn. Not just Roaf. All of them.

xoxo~
Gaz
Pondering the “they were too rested” explanation.

10-18-2004, 07:12 AM
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	The latest weak link in the Chiefs chain... So much for “the best Offensive line in the NFL.” The Jaguars got penetration all day long. The came up the middle and they came around the edges. The suckage on the OL was complete, from LT clear over to RT. Green was running for his life the entire game and there were no holes for Holmes. It was so bad that the staff threw Bober in there for a while. It is easy to look at Tynes bad kicks and the complete and total owning of McCleon and howl in aguish. But if you want to see where the game was lost, look no further than the trenches. Where our strength used to reside. xoxo~ Gaz Has a NEW thing to worry about.
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10-18-2004, 10:48 AM	#34
WilliamTheIrish Champion Golfer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $2590607	Seemed to me on many, many occasions, Green had all day to find a guy, but their corners bottled up our guys. Green got sacked 3 times when he stepped up in the pocket (after 3.5 sec's) and got got hit. That said, a first down in thatedit second to last drive was all we needed.
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10-18-2004, 10:50 AM	#35
CrazyHorse All Motor! Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	We looked like we were still playing the Ravens. The Chiefs attacked the Ravens linebackers instead of letting the LBs come to the O line on the perimeter. Though that worked for us in the Ravens game situation, it is not the type of run blocking team the Chiefs are. We didn't play our game. Green was sacked most of the time from behind. Meaning that he was holding the ball too long. We all know our recievers suck. But we were able to win in spite of that because we focused on the things we did well. Now we just can't seem to find our ass with both hands.
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10-18-2004, 11:22 AM	#37
TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Galveston, TX Casino cash: $-1416873	FWIW, I would NOT have paid Tait that much either... My question still is the same as it was a few months ago - With Welbourn, Bober, Williams and everyone else who tries to play RT absolutely $UCKING A$$, can someone tell me again why we released Marcus Spears so early in TC? He looks pretty good in a Texans uniform and even though he was/is nothing special, he can play RT better than anyone currently trying to play it now... __________________ "Do we have time to run WASP?"
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10-18-2004, 11:33 AM	#39
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	Welborn was not a tackle at philly, he was a 99% guard we should of signed a real tackle or had welbourn play guard here and move shield out to right tackle. shields is much smoother and quicker.... and is much better at handling the speed guys to the outside. face it... we've made a string of bad personnel decisions and now they are biting us in the groin. __________________
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10-18-2004, 11:40 AM	#41
2bikemike Born to Ride Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NWA Casino cash: $-1144623	I did not see the game only heard it on the net. The O line did not get old over night. They played a damn good ball game 2 weeks ago. I know Green was scrambling for his life. But from what I could hear it sounded to me like the play calling was off and nothing ever got on track until the 3rd qtr. We had a few nice drives. What was different I can't tell you. I do believe we don't have the chemistry on the line like we used to and by the time we get enough it might be too late. This offense has sputtered quite a bit and I attributed it to the injuries and missing wideouts. Hopefully with everybody back Green can get reaquainted with his recievers. AS needs to get his playbook in order and stick with what is working. IMHO playcalling on both sides of the ball have been poor. Jacksonville came out and out toughed us the way we did Bmore. I agree with Gaz the game was lost in the trenches. When we win in the trenches we win ball games.
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10-18-2004, 11:45 AM	#42
Rick chief professor Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Kansas Casino cash: $10004900	That's ridiculous. They had one bad game in about 5 years. Our play-calling in the first half didn't exactly help them. They did not get bad since 2 weeks ago.
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10-18-2004, 11:49 AM	#43
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	The best way to keep a player is to sign him to a contract extension prior to his current contract expiring. It's what the Jets did with Pennington this offseason. The player feels the team takes care of him and the team benefits from not having the player sniff another contract. That said, it takes two to reach an agreement. I don't believe for a second that Tait wanted to stay in KC. Second, 14 million for a RT is preposterous. Next, this isn't the fault of Welbourn. He's a guard. That's where he was playing the last few years and playing well. Just because the team and media gives you good quotes about the guy having a "mean streak" doesn't mean you should buy it and assume he is going to scare speed rushers away from the QB. In my humble armchair GM opinion, the fault lies with the scouting department and the player personnel department for not having an adequate backup tackle in place. They drafted a couple of tackles a few years back, I assume to address this contingency, and the players have not stepped up or earned a starting role. It's tough to win if don't develop your draft picks. __________________ "I always tell (the assistant coaches), 'Make it simple, 'cause I'm stupid,'" Edwards said. "This ain't computer football." Herm Edwards, 3-20-07 Q: Herm, back on December 25th you were asked if Trent Green was your starter going into next season and you said, ‘yeah, why wouldn’t he be?’ Have you changed your mind on that? EDWARDS: No, I have not.” (1-11-07)
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10-18-2004, 11:52 AM	#44
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	the weakest link has been and continues to be our personnel dept. bad drafting,bad free agency decision/philosophies continue to make our talent base weak. __________________
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