The latest weak link in the Chiefs chain... - Page 4

Gaz · 10-18-2004, 07:12 AM

So much for “the best Offensive line in the NFL.”

The Jaguars got penetration all day long. The came up the middle and they came around the edges. The suckage on the OL was complete, from LT clear over to RT. Green was running for his life the entire game and there were no holes for Holmes. It was so bad that the staff threw Bober in there for a while.

It is easy to look at Tynes bad kicks and the complete and total owning of McCleon and howl in aguish. But if you want to see where the game was lost, look no further than the trenches. Where our strength used to reside.

xoxo~
Gaz
Has a NEW thing to worry about.

Ultra Peanut · 10-18-2004, 12:18 PM

The whole line was getting Welbourned.

Gaz · 10-18-2004, 12:22 PM

Welbourn has been verbed.

xoxo~
Gaz
Wondering if being welbourned is worse than being mcleoned.

Ultra Peanut · 10-18-2004, 12:26 PM

I think it works really well because you don't even have to change his name (like with "Burntee") to hear "burned" while pronouncing it.

**ptlyon** · 10-18-2004, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Wondering if being welbourned is worse than being mcleoned.

I was McCleingoned over the weekend. Believe me, you don't want any part of that.

**Mr. Kotter** · 10-18-2004, 12:54 PM

This is my take. Defensives are more aggressive against the Chiefs this year; most of the pressure has come on blitzes....although the defensive tackles and ends have definitely gotten pressure, the blitzers have forced our O-line to go almost exclusively one on one.

Result: Not much double teaming at the point of attack for the run, and not many swing passes or screens in the passing game, because our backs are being used to protect Green.

Until we begin to defend the blitzes better we are gonna face a lot of third and longs, and although we do that as well as anyone in the league it's an uphill battle. And that mean our defense is on the field too much. I think Gunther HAS improved this defense, but it's not a top ten defense....UNLESS we can keep them fresh. That means ball control.

Beat the blitzes, and control the ball.....and suddenly we turn our season around. JMHO.

InChiefsHeaven · 10-18-2004, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Welbourn has been verbed.

xoxo~
Gaz
Wondering if being welbourned is worse than being mcleoned.

Not nearly as good as being Lewinski'd...

Rick · 10-19-2004, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Yes they did get that bad.

Why? I dunno. But there is no doubt that our OL failed to open holes for Holmes and failed to block the Jaguars.

We lost the battle in the trenches and it showed. Both of our TDs came on improvisation by Green after scrambling for his life. Busted plays.

The OL stunk yesterday. Not just Welbourn. Not just Roaf. All of them.

xoxo~
Gaz
Pondering the ?they were too rested? explanation.

True. I just don't think they've dropped from being one of if not the best offensive line in football.

philfree · 10-19-2004, 05:21 PM

Our O line owned the Ravens but IMO it's not quite as good as the last two years. The reason Jax got pressure was because we didn't run the ball enough in the 1st half. We came out throwing and 2nd 10 is a passing down so Jax was in the position to really bring it. Our O line is still one of the best but they have to be put in position excel. They weren't against the Jags.

PhilFree

andoman · 10-19-2004, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stinger

What I found interesting was that the chiefs kept trying to pound it up the middle, which has work the last few weeks, and getting stuffed. Yet when they would sweep they seem to have some success. Wondering why Al didn't adjust and kept trying the middle?

I was thinking the same thing during the game. The strength of the Jags D line is the tackles. The ends are scrubs from what I understand. Its funny but in games prior to this one I was thinking they had gone to the sweep well too often, but this was the game to run Holmes left and Holmes right ...

Calcountry · 10-19-2004, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

So much for “the best Offensive line in the NFL.”

The Jaguars got penetration all day long. The came up the middle and they came around the edges. The suckage on the OL was complete, from LT clear over to RT. Green was running for his life the entire game and there were no holes for Holmes. It was so bad that the staff threw Bober in there for a while.

It is easy to look at Tynes bad kicks and the complete and total owning of McCleon and howl in aguish. But if you want to see where the game was lost, look no further than the trenches. Where our strength used to reside.

xoxo~
Gaz
Has a NEW thing to worry about.

I guess we miss that guy Tait after all.

Calcountry · 10-19-2004, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

You guys are just too depressing. I'm gonna go be a Steelers fan. Signed, Saulbadguy

I heard someone was warming up the bandwagon, so you better not miss your chance to leave.

Calcountry · 10-19-2004, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Skip-

Don’t give up, man.

Cheek is a good punter.

xoxo~
Gaz
Found a bright spot.

I heard the tailgating is good at KC?

Logical · 10-19-2004, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon

Because it would have cost 34 million, not 6.

False they could have franchise tagged him for right at 6 million this year.

jspchief · 10-19-2004, 06:39 PM

When the Offense turns over the game to the Defense on the 33 yard line, with 2:16 left, no opposing time outs, and the lead....you're insane to blame the offense.

The defense gave Jax their first opening drive TD this year. Is that the O's fault? The defense gave Jax a higher point total in the first half than they average in a total game. Is that the O's fault? Spotting a team a 14 point lead in the first quarter makes it tough for the O to stick to their gameplan.

I'm not saying it's solely on the D either, but they at least share the blame equally with the O and ST.

mikey23545 · 10-19-2004, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

When the Offense turns over the game to the Defense on the 33 yard line, with 2:16 left, no opposing time outs, and the lead....you're insane to blame the offense.

The defense gave Jax their first opening drive TD this year. Is that the O's fault? The defense gave Jax a higher point total in the first half than they average in a total game. Is that the O's fault? Spotting a team a 14 point lead in the first quarter makes it tough for the O to stick to their gameplan.

I'm not saying it's solely on the D either, but they at least share the blame equally with the O and ST.

Complete drivel....The offense scored SIXTEEN (. x. )(. x. )(. x. )(. x. )ing points!.....And they didn't even need to score 17, they just had to make a frigging first down to win the game!

Offense was to blame first, last, and all game this week....

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Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	The latest weak link in the Chiefs chain... So much for “the best Offensive line in the NFL.” The Jaguars got penetration all day long. The came up the middle and they came around the edges. The suckage on the OL was complete, from LT clear over to RT. Green was running for his life the entire game and there were no holes for Holmes. It was so bad that the staff threw Bober in there for a while. It is easy to look at Tynes bad kicks and the complete and total owning of McCleon and howl in aguish. But if you want to see where the game was lost, look no further than the trenches. Where our strength used to reside. xoxo~ Gaz Has a NEW thing to worry about.
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Mr. Kotter The Dude Abides Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Dakota Country Casino cash: $3274285	This is my take. Defensives are more aggressive against the Chiefs this year; most of the pressure has come on blitzes....although the defensive tackles and ends have definitely gotten pressure, the blitzers have forced our O-line to go almost exclusively one on one. Result: Not much double teaming at the point of attack for the run, and not many swing passes or screens in the passing game, because our backs are being used to protect Green. Until we begin to defend the blitzes better we are gonna face a lot of third and longs, and although we do that as well as anyone in the league it's an uphill battle. And that mean our defense is on the field too much. I think Gunther HAS improved this defense, but it's not a top ten defense....UNLESS we can keep them fresh. That means ball control. Beat the blitzes, and control the ball.....and suddenly we turn our season around. JMHO. __________________ "I've always said I worry about legacy and winning rings more than making money at this moment...We see what's going on around the league, but at the same time, I'll never do anything that's going to hurt us from keeping the great players around me.”
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jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	When the Offense turns over the game to the Defense on the 33 yard line, with 2:16 left, no opposing time outs, and the lead....you're insane to blame the offense. The defense gave Jax their first opening drive TD this year. Is that the O's fault? The defense gave Jax a higher point total in the first half than they average in a total game. Is that the O's fault? Spotting a team a 14 point lead in the first quarter makes it tough for the O to stick to their gameplan. I'm not saying it's solely on the D either, but they at least share the blame equally with the O and ST. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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