Kennedy :: History Channel Computer Simulation of Zapruder Film

[DJay23]

Originally Posted by Donger

I'm saying the physical evidence you mention is immaterial in explaining why Kennedy's head moved sharply left and backwards after being shot from behind.

Doesnt' a good portion of his face get ripped off from that second shot?

If so, wouldn't that indicate exit wound rather than entry?

I will admit, if that second shot did come from behind, it's quite perplexing why his head didn't snap forward. I didn't hear the explanation on the show.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DJay23

Doesnt' a good portion of his face get ripped off from that second shot?

If so, wouldn't that indicate exit wound rather than entry?

I will admit, if that second shot did come from behind, it's quite perplexing why his head didn't snap forward. I didn't hear the explanation on the show.

Yes.

However, take a look at the way, for lack of a better word, the pieces of his head travel after impact.

They don't travel forward.

[DJay23]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes.

However, take a look at the way, for lack of a better word, the pieces of his head travel after impact.

They don't travel forward.

Yes, that's right. Jackie went back onto the trunk of the limo to retrieve a piece of Kennedy's brain.

[CosmicPal]

Originally Posted by DJay23

Yes, that's right. Jackie went back onto the trunk of the limo to retrieve a piece of Kennedy's brain.

I never quite understood that. Seriously. You have two occupants in your car that have been shot and what do you do? You make yourself an even easier target by crawling out into the open.

I would think I would crouch down between the seats and give me some sort of cover from the gunfire. Instinctively, this is what people do in danger- that's why I never understood how she could just crawl out of the car and make herself a much easier target herself.

And don't tell me she knew the President had been shot and that she knew she wasn't a target- all rationale goes out the window in 6 seconds when 3 ta 4 bullets are flying into your open vehicle.

[DJay23]

Originally Posted by CosmicPal

And don't tell me she knew the President had been shot and that she knew she wasn't a target- all rationale goes out the window in 6 seconds when 3 ta 4 bullets are flying into your open vehicle.

I think you answered your own question. It was fast and she didn't know what was going on. All she knows is a piece of her husband is on the back of the car. All logic for her safety and what's going on are out the window and goes to pick up the chunk of Jack's head.

That's my interpretation anyway.

[Bowser]

Here's something I've never understood----

Why has the government sealed this case for so many years before it's to be opened? By that action alone it implicates that the government knows the who, what, why, and how, and they don't want anyone to know what they know.

Why do you think that is?

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Here's something I've never understood----

Why has the government sealed this case for so many years before it's to be opened? By that action alone it implicates that the government knows the who, what, why, and how, and they don't want anyone to know what they know.

Why do you think that is?

Excellent question Watson...and how did his brain magically disappear?

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes.

However, take a look at the way, for lack of a better word, the pieces of his head travel after impact.

They don't travel forward.

It is important to note that the initial movement of the head and the blood spray are clearly forward (compare Zapruder frames 312 and 313). There is absolutely no physical way to explain frame 313 as a result of a headshot coming from the front. Only in later frames does the head move backward.

The website below demonstrates using the laws of physics that the initial movement of the head forward and forward blood spray observed in frame 313, and the later rearward lurch of JFK, can all be explained from a single shot from the rear.

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/Scienti...head_shot.html

Many of those who still support a conspiracy theory have taken to attacking the authenticity of the Zapruder film itself. While I was a conspiracy buff for over 10 years, I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that the most plausible explanation is that Oswald acted alone.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by cdcox

It is important to note that the initial movement of the head and the blood spray are clearly forward (compare Zapruder frames 312 and 313). There is absolutely no physical way to explain frame 313 as a result of a headshot coming from the front. Only in later frames does the head move backward.

The website below demonstrates using the laws of physics that the initial movement of the head forward and forward blood spray observed in frame 313, and the later rearward lurch of JFK, can all be explained from a single shot from the rear.

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/Scienti...head_shot.html

Many of those who still support a conspiracy theory have taken to attacking the authenticity of the Zapruder film itself. While I was a conspiracy buff for over 10 years, I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that the most plausible explanation is that Oswald acted alone.

We're Chief fans... Not Rocket Scientist's. That page made my head hurt just scrolling down. Not too mention reading it (Which I didn't).

If it came down to believeing the lone gunman theory or reading that article to prove my conspiracy believing theory wrong... I'm afraid Oswald DID do it.

~ I'll wait until 2036 when they open the files (If I make it that long)... Maybe then I'll have more time to read.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by wutamess

We're Chief fans... Not Rocket Scientist's. That page made my head hurt just scrolling down. Not too mention reading it (Which I didn't).

If it came down to believeing the lone gunman theory or reading that article to prove my conspiracy believing theory wrong... I'm afraid Oswald DID do it.

~ I'll wait until 2036 when they open the files (If I make it that long)... Maybe then I'll have more time to read.

That is pretty much my point. Unless you are a rocket scientist, and want to dig through details like those provided in that web page, you really don't have much business arguing that the movement of the head is a physical impossibility. Maybe Donger will point out where this guy's analysis is wrong.

Here is a link that has some interesting video clips (no math). Scroll down to Back, and to the Left. Back, and to the Left. Back, and to the Left.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dealey.htm#jeteffect

Look at the videos where they shoot the melons and the skulls. They both move in the direction from which the gunshot came. There is also a snuff film of a goat.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by cdcox

That is pretty much my point. Unless you are a rocket scientist, and want to dig through details like those provided in that web page, you really don't have much business arguing that the movement of the head is a physical impossibility. Maybe Donger will point out where this guy's analysis is wrong.

Here is a link that has some interesting video clips (no math). Scroll down to Back, and to the Left. Back, and to the Left. Back, and to the Left.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dealey.htm#jeteffect

Look at the videos where they shoot the melons and the skulls. They both move in the direction from which the gunshot came. There is also a snuff film of a goat.

I really don't think you're getting it. That site is overkill and requires too much understanding and decyphering for a casual "sabbath" Sunday evening.

~ I'll take your word for it.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by wutamess

I really don't think you're getting it. That site is overkill and requires too much understanding and decyphering for a casual "sabbath" Sunday evening.

~ I'll take your word for it.

How can you pass up a snuff film of a goat?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by cdcox

It is important to note that the initial movement of the head and the blood spray are clearly forward (compare Zapruder frames 312 and 313). There is absolutely no physical way to explain frame 313 as a result of a headshot coming from the front. Only in later frames does the head move backward.

The website below demonstrates using the laws of physics that the initial movement of the head forward and forward blood spray observed in frame 313, and the later rearward lurch of JFK, can all be explained from a single shot from the rear.

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/Scienti...head_shot.html

Many of those who still support a conspiracy theory have taken to attacking the authenticity of the Zapruder film itself. While I was a conspiracy buff for over 10 years, I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that the most plausible explanation is that Oswald acted alone.

If I'm reading that correctly, he claims that Kennedy's head moves forward only 2.2 inches between those frames.

Is that how you read it?

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Donger

If I'm reading that correctly, he claims that Kennedy's head moves forward only 2.2 inches between those frames.

Is that how you read it?

On average. He actually considers a range of 1.6 to 2.8 inches and calculates based on different values within that range. You cannot tell exactly because of the time resolution of the film. He considers that the head could have continued forward after frame 313, or that the head had already started back by the time the frame 313 was taken.

[Braincase]

When the magic bullet theory was discredited, did they explain the pristine condition of the bullet itself?